Game 3: Michigan at Iowa State Open Thread

Michigan 93, S Carolina St 59-19
Dustin Johnston

Michigan has already played two games this season but starting today: basketball is back. The Wolverines will finally be challenged tonight as they go on the road for their first game against a major conference foe this season.

Folks in Ames are saying this is potentially the biggest non-conference home game in school history and Hilton Coliseum will be buzzing with Dick Vitale and Dave O’Brien in the house to call the game for ESPN2. The best players on both teams have been injured but there’s at least a chance that Mitch McGary (back) and Melvin Ejim (knee) will suit up and give it a go today. Ejim is a “game time decision” while John Beilein didn’t rule McGary out on Friday, saying that he will play if he dresses.

UPDATE (3:49 p.m.): Mitch McGary is dressed and should play tonight.

UPDATE (3:58 p.m.): Melvin Ejim is also dressed and warming up.

Join in the discussion before, during and after the game in the comments section below.

Pre-Game Reading:

  • d

    I dont like the lineup we have out there right now

  • gobluemd16

    For as good as Levert was before at defense, he has gotten ABUSED time and time again this game.

    • gobluemd16

      He hasn’t done much on offense either and has been long on every three

  • dafug

    I hate kenpom so much right now

  • realdmt

    Stauskas has been the only perimeter strength.

  • wolverine

    why is walton not in the game

    • Chris De Sana

      two horrible plays down the stretch, maybe?

      • wolverine

        what is levert doing thats good? what has albrect done down that stretch that was good?

        • Chris De Sana

          Agree but coach probably wanted to go with experience, of course they failed as well

    • camblue

      because he’d probably immediately have a turnover?

      • Anthony Mosby

        Well I take a turnover for a few assists….no other guard out there is distributing like this kid can….give me a break

    • Anthony Mosby

      Confusing!

  • Kam

    Caris cant guard them in the post!

    • Anthony Mosby

      I agree

  • guestavoe

    Calm down, Levert is a good defender. Can’t put him on a complete mismatch and expect it to be in our favor.

    • Chris De Sana

      But he can not guard 4 positions like advertised, that was proven tonight.

      • guestavoe

        Not every team is built the same.

      • Kam

        I never thought he could

    • gobluemd16

      I know what you mean, I still think he is good. But it wasn’t just in mismatches, he got abused in the first half too on straight-line drives. He was bad tonight.

  • Devin McCauley

    I feel like a lot of games are going to be won be free throw shooting this year

  • mattD

    I absolutely hate seeing us get punked, and that is exactly what’s happening here tonight.

    • jemblue

      We’re down six.

    • MGoTweeter

      What game did u watch?

    • MontuckyYooper

      If anything we “punked” ourselves. Missed a ton of open shots and didn’t defend well enough. We’ll be fine.

  • Zach JOnes

    I hope this is just a fluke

    • MGoTweeter

      Obvious things to work on but you are not going to win very game especially at places like this against good teams

  • realdmt

    Game over. I’m now scared we are not legit. Great.

    • MontuckyYooper

      Because we lost to a good team on the road? Step away from the ledge. We’ll get better.

    • Hops

      How old are you and have you ever watched college basketball? Road wins against top 15 teams (ISU is) are few and far between. Chill.

    • jemblue

      We shot what, 8-30 from downtown? That’s not going to happen that often.

  • Critavious Brodoms

    The good news is that this was a great experience for the team before we see our marquee matchups and conference play begins. I have no doubt Beilein will do a good job regardless of this outcome.

  • jemblue

    Of course we miss all the layups, too. Ugh.

  • guestavoe

    We just scheduled the absolute worst kind of team to face with our finesse, shy away from contact style of play. This is great prep for the Big Ten.

    • Chris De Sana

      Agreed, rather learn now than later. Tough road game early will pay off later.

    • Chezaroo

      Home and home scheduled 4 years ago.

  • TheYooper

    Too much panic here. It’s November people…

    • MontuckyYooper

      Dude you just wrote.”Game over. I’m now scared we are not legit. Great.”

      • TheYooper

        Uhhh……. what?

  • Chezaroo

    Learning experience. Nothing wrong that a few made jump shots wouldn’t cure. Not really surprised by the result. Still a lot of lineup matches to settle on. I trust JB to get it right. Know ISU is perimeter orientated, but they killed us inside! Sad to see how far Morgan has fallen in the playing group.

  • blackie6

    we’ll be ok…. lots of lessons to learn…. IMO, Glenn and Caris really struggled…. they didn’t have their legs under them it seemed… All good, learn and move on.

  • Alex

    Just have to learn from this game. Good for Iowa State. This could make the team better but have to not hang their heads. Time will tell.

  • Tyler Carter

    Tough loss, but come on guys. You’re going to start doubting a YOUNG team that competed in their first road test in a long season? As Mitch gets healthier, he will be more of a defensive presence than he was tonight, but Ejim, an extremely high quality player, got his all day. I love this team and this is going to be a special season.

    • Chris De Sana

      Agree, if anyone thought we were not going to miss 2 first round picks early in the year they were mistaken

  • Anthony Mosby

    I’m not sure Beilein knows his squad yet….Walton needs to play right away and Horford needs way more minutes.

    • MontuckyYooper

      Right; because you know the team so much better than the head coach. C’mon.

      • Anthony Mosby

        No I watched him wait last year with McCary and early on with Morris…let them play….We got killed down low Horford can rebound…maybe you played ball…not

        • MontuckyYooper

          Haha ok buddy.

          • moenice

            Coaches need constructive criticism too….ask the Detroit Lions coach about his decisions…its part to the game

      • Anthony Mosby

        I coached and played what is your claim to fame…ball boy

        • MontuckyYooper

          Right so you obviously know UM’s team way better than Coach B. If only you were the coach we totally would have won that game. Easy on the insults tough guy.

          • Tyler Carter

            Easy boys, we’re all on the same team here.

  • guestavoe

    We controlled the game through most of the game. Some of you are being a bit too extreme imo

  • Kam

    EVERYONE had bad moments, but there were also bright spots.. They are young and they will learn

  • MGoTweeter

    Good for Iowa st. They earned it and out played michigan down the stretch. Lots to work on still but a lot positives for michigan as well. Now go win in Puerto Rico!

  • DingoBlue

    People are overreacting. That would be a tough W to pull out. Even moreso when the 3 pointers are not falling. Learning experience. Time to move on.

  • Hops

    Rushing the court sign of growth of UM’s program under Belein. Imagine this against Amaker teams.

  • DingoBlue

    Also, you can’t help Ejim playing out of his mind.

    • Chezaroo

      Player of the game, no doubt.

  • arsenal926

    Take a second and notice how excited ISU is for beating this Michigan team. Beating Michigan now means something and thats important to note.

    • Burke_Does_Work

      I think it has more to do with the fact that we are (were) ranked 7. Any fan base that’s unranked will celebrate beating a top 10 team at home.

  • Kam

    Big Caris fan but he shouldn’t be guarding a 6’6 200 plus pound 4 man took strong!! let him stay on 1 2 ands 3s

    • Kam

      Got killed in the post

    • Chris De Sana

      Caris is not as good as the early games and not as bad as this one. He will continue to get better and be a 4 year player that will make us all proud.

      • Kam

        Ive thought that all along! just a good solid player!

  • guestavoe

    I do hope JB pulls GR3 to the side, however. I’d also like to see Levert with more high ball screens. We gotta figure out how to guard the bigger 3 men. Surprised we never zoned it.

    • Kam

      i agree. why no 1-3-1 with our length?

  • gobluemd16

    Got open threes and missed, missed free throws (Stauskas and McGary, which is all he has been practicing), gave up a lot of points in the paint especially to Ejim. All correctable. We will be fine and this gives us so much of a leg up going into Puerto Rico, in my opinion.

    • gobluemd16

      Glenn did not play well at all, Levert missed a ton of shots he has been making, and Mitch will obviously get better and be in better shape with time. All will be ok

  • gobluemd16

    Also, not only are ISU’s fans very unclassy for yelling “F*ck McGary”
    the entire second half, but they rushed the court when they were favored to win the game

  • Chris De Sana

    Well we got beat on the road against a well coached team. Obviously going to miss 2 players taken in the 1st round. All in all it appeared we need offensive discipline, meaning the guy running the point has to run the offense no matter if up 10 or down 10. Hopefully that will come with game experience.

    Disappointed how Morgan has fallen off the map, he has to be good for more than a few odd minutes here and there.

    In the end I think getting away from the dribble drive hurt us in the end, it opens up the 3 ball and our guys were able to get into the paint.

    • gobluemd16

      Yeah especially with how they were killing us down low, I would have liked to see him and Horford more. Maybe in the two big lineup with Mitch. Zak was ineffective and it wasn’t like Caris was playing so great. Could have given them some more minutes.

  • MLaw

    This team is still young. The most important developments are learning to deal with adversity, and learning how to finish. Both halves ended with a big ISU run. I don’t think this team will get to 30+ wins like last year, but this does not change my opinion about 25 or so wins.

    • Indiana_Matt

      I agree. But by March I still think we could make a deep run. At least Elite 8. Coach B is too good, too smart. He has too much talent not to make it happen.

  • Chris De Sana

    Looking at the box score a few things stand out.

    Walton 1 of 5 from 3 and that was a bank shot early in the game. Get in the paint young man that is where you are best.

    Lavert did not step up in tougher competition, he will in the future as stated below.

    GR3 struggled with the pace all night, luck rushed all night. 4 of 14 from 2 and 1 of 5 from 3. I was hoping his move to the 3 would mean he would be more active, curls and screens but that has not materialized so far this season.

    • MGoTweeter

      dont think GRIII has played one minute at the three either of the last two games. But he definitely struggled with forcing things. He tends to try and do too much off the bounce and that is just not part of his skill set right now.

    • Burke_Does_Work

      He’s playing at the 4…I’d like to see a Horford (5) McGary (4) GRIII (3) Stauskas (2) Levert or Walton (1) lineup

      • Chris De Sana

        I like that line up as well. Prefer Caris at the point to be honest or maybe even Nik.

    • gobluemd16

      Irvin didn’t look very comfortable either. Does his shot take a really long time out of his hands, or is that just me?

      • Chris De Sana

        No shocker, freshman on the road in to environment.

  • Jersey Jay

    I am not at all discouraged by this game. A still young group went in to a tough environment against a well coached team. Our best big was getting his first action with the team and many other factors played a part in this loss. Do not fault Caris. He is not a 20 ppg scorer but he is still a solid piece to this puzzle. With that being said I would still like to see more from GR3. Again, I am already over this loss and looking forward to PR.

  • moenice

    Great game…coaches and players learning each other….Get ready for the Puerto Rico Tipoff

  • guestavoe

    We should have scheduled Columbia or Marquette

    • gobluemd16

      This was a home and home with Iowa State. It was scheduled 4 or 5 years ago, I believe

      • guestavoe

        I was being facetious

        • gobluemd16

          My bad

  • Burke_Does_Work

    No need to be discouraged, it’s early in the season and it’s not like we weren’t ever in the game. They went on a 10-0 run or something to take the lead near the end of the game. Cold shooting down the stretch was what killed us. The fact that we went into a rowdy environment like that and led pretty much the whole game shows that we have the talent to be a good team.
    What does worry me is our lack of size. We’re playing with 4 guards pretty much all game long and I don’t think we can win without shooting lights out against the big physical MSU-like teams. When GRIII and McGary leave, we are gonna be in desperate need of a 4 and 5 man who have size and strength.

    • guestavoe

      Agreed.

    • Chris De Sana

      GR3 is going no where if he does not play better, if he does I am willing to say good luck and deal with it.

      • Indiana_Matt

        this kid is great. patience :)

  • Anthony

    People forget that in late game situations burke had the ball so these players were inexperienced down the stretch it wasn’t a matter of execution it was just players missing open looks. This team will be fine I am fine with the performance against imo a legit top 25 team on the road.

  • Chris

    I’ll gladly take a little adversity to get better prepared for conference play. Non-conference schedule was way too easy last year and it showed when we started playing the tougher B1G teams. Really looking forward to seeing what this team does this year.

  • gobluemd16

    By the way Dylan and UMHoops, 400 comments on an open thread again shows the improvement of this site. The team making the championship game definitely helps, but you guys doing an amazing job is part of it as well.

  • Indiana_Matt

    When I saw this one on the schedule I figured it would be really tough to pull off a win. With McGary not playing at all until now, this one was going to be a great achievement if we could get a W. We have a lot to improve on but I think this game will put an exclamation on some of our issues, which will be good. There is a learning curve. If we go 2-2 against ISU, VCU, Duke and Arizona I will consider that successful. Coach B is going to have this team playing impressive ball as the year goes on, no doubt. I have faith.

  • lester

    Gotta seriously wonder why COACH didnt call a TIMEOUT when scored tied at 62 and we had the ball.. GR3 was hurt and couldnt move yet coach had them run a play and we missed our shot. Then of course they go on a run and we get 5 down before coach calls TO.
    Last year in critical games same issue… Coach wouldnt call TO when necessary. Ditto year before in Nashville against Ohio.
    Coach needs to pay attention to details and the importance of TO.
    Also Lavert and GR3 need to stop gunning. Their not that good.

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