Game 28: Michigan at Penn State Open Thread

Michigan 62, Nebraska 47-19
Dustin Johnston

Michigan is back in the Big Ten title race and back on the court this evening as it travels to State College, PA to face Penn State for the second time in a week and a half. Tip off is scheduled for 6:30 p.m. on the Big Ten Network with Tim Doyle and Kevin Kugler on the call.

Join in the discussion below before, during and after the game to share your thoughts, predictions and observations.

Pre-Game Reading:

  • rlcBlue

    Ah, who needs a #1 seed anyway?

    • MGoTweeter

      Looking at a three right now

      • Matt Peck

        Really depends on how we finish out. If we lose two or possibly all three more we would be lucky to get a 3 seed.

  • MGoTweeter

    As good as a player that Burke is, he is a bad leader. Unacceptable how the last ten possessions went

    • David

      You should just get off the internet, dude. Get a good night’s sleep and make better decisions tomorrow.

      • gpsimms

        Just fyi: this is like the most rational longtime poster on this site. And he’s kinda right.

      • MGoTweeter

        I love the kid, and I try to be as level as I can. Obviously I am emotional right now, but the facts are that Burke really struggles in late game situations. Add to that michigan as a team struggles to handle other teams when they make runs. Michigan took a bunch of absolutely terrible shots the last three-four minutes of the game. I place a lot of that blame on the guy who has the ball ninety percent of the time

  • Wayman Britt

    Let’s face reality again we are the fourth best team in the Big Ten not the country.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mbainbridge2 Mike Bainbridge

    We can blame the refs…but GOOD teams dont lose that game. Period.

    • MGoTweeter

      That’s right. With three minutes left michigan was right there. Then just made mistake after mistake. No on court leaders

  • gobluemd16

    That loss could absolutely KILL us moving forward. Refs changed the entire game, and from then on it was just bad play

  • jemblue

    It’s time for Stauskas to come off the bench. His defense was horrendous. He just hasn’t been giving us enough offense to compensate for the fact that his man constantly gets away from him at the other end.

    • MGoTweeter

      I think you have to bench everyone besides Burke and Morgan then if that is the standard.

      • jemblue

        It’s been an ongoing thing with Nik, not just tonight. Burke and Morgan usually are better.

        • MGoTweeter

          That’s what I am saying. Burke and Morgan are solid on D. Every other player on the roster is below average

          • jemblue

            Oh right, I misread. But anyhow – Nik is the most glaring offender here, and LeVert is available to start.

          • gpsimms

            Not saying Stauskas is blameless. But LeVert is not the answer, Whole team struggles on defense, including LeVert. He had a sfew good defensive minutes against Illinois and those were his first all year.

  • hops

    Give Penn State credit….they hit EVERYTHING from 3 in the 2nd half

    • MGoTweeter

      I give them no credit. They are a bad team. Doesn’t matter how well they played michigan had no business losing that game

    • gobluemd16

      Largely because we gave them easy looks.. refs helped them when we were up by I believe FIFTEEN in the second half. From then, they gained confidence and we played so poorly the last 4 or 5 minutes. Absolutely awful. And the defense, oh god it has just gotten worse and worse this season. Penn State just scored 84! points against us.

  • gobluemd16

    The good teams extend that game down the stretch even after the layup and then the free throw to make it a 4 point game with 30 seconds left. Kansas did it, Indiana did it. Glenn missed a layup, but then that three was totally not needed the next possess. There is plenty of time, you go to the hole and get the easy two. Foul again, extend the game. After we missed that three it was basically over..

  • Dr_ZC

    Well, where was Mitch down the stretch to play alongside Morgan? We simply deserved to lose. I did not see any defense at all. The bad calls did not cost us the game with 15points up. Our inability to react and guard the 3 did us in.

    • A2JD

      I blame it on the socks.

  • KurtD

    If I’m playing Michigan, i just drive my point guard baseline and throw it to one of the 3 open shooters outside the arc…on every play.

    • gobluemd16

      Honestly, it would work. Our defense is laughable and if we don’t pick it up, we are going to have a LONG rest of the regular season.

    • MGoTweeter

      Part of that is by design. Michigan has no shot blockers and very little size. Or at least they play small. You have to take away layups first. The disappointing thing to me is that michigan consistently helps off the wrong players. Marshall was the one guy you want to stick with. Make one of their role players hit four threes.

  • Bill

    4 guys watching Burke play doesn’t work. that’s what happened last year. And I don’t think coach managed the game well he seems to have a few usually late in the season and you see him yelling at guys and sticking with certain players and getting away from his usual rotations.

  • Matt Peck

    I hate to say it but I am starting to worry that we may finish the season on an 0-4 streak. I worry about the team leadership and the apparent lack of defense. Once Trey gets trapped the rest of the team stumbles around.

    • gobluemd16

      Don’t overreact to that extent. We could, conceivably, continue this pattern. But, we are so much better at home and if we play like we did against Illinois (mainly 2nd half), we could win all three. I am emotional and its easy to go to great lengths with the frustration, but it is still one (horrific) game.

      • Matt Peck

        I think we can will all three as well. But in look they have to prove it. Don’t forget, the students are on break for these last two home games and the only top B1G team was a close home win over OSU. Every other game against a top opponent has resulted in a loss and now we lose to the worst team in the conference. The pattern is not good.

        • gobluemd16

          Indiana isnt a break game and students will be there in force.

    • MGoTweeter

      The frustrating thing is that I would not be shocked at all if they win on Sunday. In fact I would say its even money in my mind.

      The way this team plays even at their best though is not good enough to stay at the top. They are way too soft, struggle to defend anyone and consistently taken bad shots. The NCAA tournament is going to be a crap shoot. Could make a deep run, could lose first round

      • Matt Peck

        I wouldn’t be shocked either. They are a good team but get into some really weird funks where they just stand around and screw up their defensive rotations. Glenn is really frustrating on defense, he always seems to be the one making the wrong read to help out and Caris really looks lost.

        The tourney will likely be more suited to Michigan’s style as the bumping and clutching is not tolerated as much.

      • Narrowhaven

        Indeed. Agreed on this.

  • ChocoJoe

    I kind of feel like Stauskas lost us this game. 5 turnovers and poor defense.

    • ChocoJoe

      Although, Trey’s 6 turnovers isn’t good either.

  • Andrew Weiss

    Two games this year, the team literally quit. MSU and today. You have a chance at a one seed, a chance to win the big ten, and you have zero focus against the worst team in the power 6 conferences, and lay an absolute egg. They finished the season on a 31-10 run. This is worse than app. st. Really no doubt about it.

    • jemblue

      This is awful but it’s definitely not worse than App State or really any football loss. No regular-season loss in basketball is the same. In football, you lose once and that’s it. Here, we still have the postseason to redeem ourselves.

    • gobluemd16

      Amen. They simply outworked, outhustled, and wanted to win more than us.

  • umnyc

    I think we just choke when there is something to play for. We lost at OSU, Indiana and Wisconsin when number 1 was on the line. MSU and PSU with a chance to control our own destiny in the B1G… All on the road. This team needs to learn how to play with expectations of greatness… we no longer gave the underdog roll to use as motivation. I have to keep reminding myself that these are just kids. Just hope this doesn’t linger, and we can show up for MSU this weekend.

  • Wayman Britt

    Can someone explain to me why UM doubles the opponents guard 25 feet from the basket with our center. I not talking about a quick hedge by our bigs but full blown double teams for 4 – 6 seconds. We then leave someone wide open.

    Does the coaching staff teach this? I must be missing something.

    • MGoTweeter

      Problem has been that michigans bigs are so slow to recover and the wings are so young, that it is necessary to double team. If they don’t the ball handler simply finds the roll man before the big recovers and the wings recognize the open man. With the double team it forces the ball handler to pick up his dribble and pass to the outside. Thus giving the big time
      To recover and the wings time to recognize open men.

      • Narrowhaven

        The hedge was absolutely terrible tonight. It’s not necessary to double, just show and recover. They didn’t make PSU guards pick up once, instead their guards roamed pretty much wherever they wanted and found their wide open wings or posts

        • MGoTweeter

          I just think that’s wrong. I would have to rewatch but I think michigan forced them to pick up the ball many times if not the majority of times. In terms of it not being necessary, the hard hedge has been necessary because michigans bigs are so slow and unathletic. Thy are terrible at recovering, so they have to trap hard or hedge hard.

  • Scott Johnson

    Michigan’s defense allowed 30 points in the final 10 minutes. NO EXCUSE!!!

    • gobluemd16

      To Penn State..

  • Joel_C

    What I wouldn’t give to have a Zack Novak on this team

    • MGoTweeter

      Or stu Douglass. Guys are just plain soft

  • Adam St Patrick

    Re the shot blocking comment, McGary was starting to blow up in that regard until February. Furthermore I can’t remember very many times he’s dunked at all at the rim in the past month. It could be faulty memory, but I wonder if there’s an injury explanation. 19 years old and 6-10 and he isn’t dunking? Just guessing.

  • CDeSana

    We were simply out coached and out played by a team that obviously wanted it more than our kids did last night. Michigan let two players beat them and did nothing to stop it from happening. Penn States guards simply out played our guards and we lost because of it.

    As much as I like Coach and Trey this game once again shows the road map for beating Michigan. Press them, deny Trey the ball, deny passing lanes and attack the basket; we simply do not have an answer.

    I also agree in regards to Nik he needs to go back to the bench; Vogrich may not fill the hoop but he is a more disciplined defender and that is what we need right now.

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