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Selection Sunday Open Thread

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6 P.M. can’t get here soon enough.

Discussion is encouraged in the comments. I’ll be posting from Crisler and will have plenty of coverage throughout the night.

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Selection Sunday Morning Bracketology Updates

Just over 6 hours until Selection Sunday and it looks like it is going to be a good day. Hopefully a lot of people can make it to Crisler for the viewing party. I’ll be posting updates throughout the day.

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Bubble Notes (3-14-09)

Committee. We are one day away from Selection Sunday and most of the bubble action wraps up today. According to chairman Mike Slive the committee looks at “the three Ws and an H“:

“Who you play, where you play, with whom did you play and how you played,” Slive said. “Who you played: qualify of competition. Where you played: was it road, home or neutral? With whom did you play: was everyone available and healthy on either team? And how you played: did you win or maybe it was a good loss.

Slive also emphasizes the full body of work:

“The best way to evaluate a team is based on a full body of work, to think about or give credit for, or if there are losses, to hold teams accountable,” Slive said. “Otherwise, in a sense, you’re going to have November and December being an exhibition season, and it’s not. It’s an integral part of the entire season. I think it is important for the committee to consider the teams when they’re playing throughout the year.

I think Michigan’s resume stacks up very well against any of the other bubble teams out there. Michigan has 20 wins, a .500 conference record, their RPI is 42, they have 2 (possibly more when everything shakes out) top 25 wins, 6 top 50 wins, and 10 top 100 wins to go along with a top 10 strength of schedule. Yes, Michigan’s road record leaves something to be desired but every bubble team has its problems and Michigan definitely went out and beat quality competition this year .

Elsewhere. Temple or Duquesne will get in the tournament after they beat Dayton and Xavier in the A10 semifinals which takes one bid away from the rest of the bubble teams and guarantees three bids for the Atlantic 10.

We’ll start with Joe Sheehan’s list of bubble teams from Friday morning. Not many of these teams did much to help themselves. The few teams that won are in bold. Sheehan mentions that at most thirteen (it would be 12 now because the A10 is getting an extra bid) and as few as four of these teams could get in. I’m not sure about the exact math right now but this more or less gives a good sense of the other teams on the bubble. Teams in bold won yesterday.

  • Dayton – Lost to Duquense
  • Ohio State – Beat Wisconsin
  • Wisconsin – Lost to Ohio State
  • Michigan – Lost to Illinois
  • Texas A&M – Lost to Texas Tech Wednesday
  • Boston College – Lost to Duke
  • Creighton – Lost in Semis of MVC
  • Minnesota – Lost to Michigan State
  • Auburn - Beat Florida
  • Temple - Beat Xavier
  • South Carolina – Lost to Mississippi State
  • Florida – Lost to Auburn
  • Penn State – Lost to Purdue
  • Utah State – Squeaked by New Mexico St.
  • San Diego State – Beat BYU
  • New Mexico- Lost Thursday to Wyoming
  • UNLV – Lost Thursday to SDSU
  • Maryland - Beat Wake Forest
  • Alabama-Birmingham – Lost to Tulsa
  • Tulsa - Beat UAB
  • Niagara – Lost to Siena on Monday
  • Virginia Tech – Lost to UNC
  • Kentucky – Lost to LSU
  • Mississippi State – Beat South Carolina
  • St. Mary’s – Beat Eastern Washington

Not many teams doing that much to help themselves. Maryland got themselves back in the picture and they have some very nice wins. San Diego State got a huge win over BYU and Auburn keeps on winning. UNLV is slipping away but San Diego State is moving up. USC also played themselves onto the bubble with a win over UCLA; if they beat Arizona State they get the automatic bid but if not you have to wonder if they did enough to get themselves in? The lack of a quality road win really hurts them.

Basically there are a few teams that helped themselves but it doesn’t appear like Michigan is in danger yet. Bracketology 101 sees four teams that are in danger (their last four in include San Diego State, Maryland, Penn State, and St. Mary’s):

If we had to put a number on it we think that there are 4 bids still in question. All of the teams on the last 4 in line are still vulnerable, while everyone above them (the 10 line and better) are relatively safe.

Bubble watchers (Jeff Goodman and ESPN to name a few) also seem to still feel good about Michigan’s chances and I think Michigan is still in very good shape despite their loss. Michigan has more top 50 wins than essentially anyone else on the bubble and they took care of business in Indianapolis despite a somewhat disappointing loss.

Anything can happen over the next few days but it appears that it would take Murphy’s Law to knock Michigan out of the tournament at this point.

Saturday Viewers Guide. The theme of the day is to root against anyone that would steal a bid. If LSU and Tennessee make the conference finals, the SEC very well could be looking at 2-bids. Memphis, Arizona St., Missouri, and Utah St. can all lock up automatic bids and secure a spot for a bubble team.

  • Tulsa vs. Memphis - 11:35 AM CBS
  • Mississippi State vs. LSU – 1:00 PM ESPN2
  • Auburn vs. Tennessee - 3:30 PM ESPN2
  • Maryland vs. Duke - 4:00 PM ESPN
  • Duquesne vs. Temple – 6:00 PM ESPN2
  • Arizona St vs. USC – 6:00 PM CBS
  • Baylor vs. Missouri - 6PM ESPN
  • SDSU vs Utah - 7PM Versus
  • Utah St. vs. Nevada – 10:00 PM ESPN2
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Tourney Talk with Andy Cox of Crashing the Dance

Andy Cox, the man behind Crashing the Dance, agreed to answer a couple questions about Michigan’s tournament chances and what he does over on his website. I’m a big fan of Crashing the Dance because it is a new take on bracketology and the model seems to work quite well. CTD got 32 of 34 at large teams correct and seeded 82% of them within 1 seed of their actual spot on the bracket. There are also plenty of other cool features like sparklines (Michigan: sparklinerpi163) which detail a team’s season in just a few pixels or the bubble grid which provides a daily rundown of every bubble team’s measurables. Thanks again to Andy for taking the time to answer these questions.

For people unfamiliar with the site, how exactly does Crashing the Dance work?

Glad you asked. Crashing the Dance learns from past brackets how the NCAA selection committee selects and seeds teams with certain kinds of profiles. Like the real committee, CTD handles at-large selection and seeding separately. First, it predicts whether each team would be in or out and how confident that prediction is by examining teams with similar profiles from previous years and whether those teams were selected (or conference champions that would have been selected). The top 34 at-large teams are chosen after ranking the at-large candidates by the prediction confidence. After determining the 65 teams in the field (34 at-large plus 31 conference champions), each team is assigned a most likely seed by again comparing its profile with similar teams (and their seeds) from past brackets. The full 1 to 65 seed list (called the S-Curve) is generated by ranking the teams by this most likely seed.

Let’s look at Michigan (through Monday’s games) as an example for each step. CTD thinks Michigan will be selected at large with 99.9% confidence based on how teams with similar profiles were handled in previous years. Michigan ranks 29th in at-large selection confidence out of all at-large candidates, so they are the sixth to last at-large team selected. After putting the Wolverines in the field, CTD gives them 8.80 seed points (16 seed points = #1 seed, 1 seed point = #16 seed), again based on past comps. In other words, teams with similar profiles in the past have generally been placed somewhere between a #8 and #9 seed (slightly closer to #8 here). When we rank all 65 teams by their seed points, this puts Michigan at #37 on the S-Curve, which results in a #10 seed. Note that the most likely seed is not always the same as the final seed, because more than four teams on each seed line could be given the same most likely seed. This is true here, as 7 teams have between 9.23 and 8.80 seed points (i.e., the model’s best guess is about an #8 seed). A tight cluster like this also means big jumps are possible.

What do you think of Michigan’s resume right now? The question on everybody’s mind is whether they need to beat Iowa in round 1 of the Big Ten Tournament.

I wouldn’t say they’re out if they lose, but it’s a lot like dealing with bad calls by officials. Bad calls happen, but if you take care of business the bad calls won’t make the difference between winning and losing. It’s the same thing with the selection committee. Win as many games as you can to make their decision easy. Too much can still happen this week for this game to be the decider, but the win at Minnesota certainly helped.

Also, Butler’s loss tonight kills one more available bubble slot, so the Iowa game becomes more important. I’m still not willing to say it’s a must win, because that depends on what the other bubble teams do, but as I said take care of business and don’t leave it up to others.

What are the strengths and weaknesses of U-M’s resume? We talk a lot about the top 50 wins and the road record, are there other subtle attributes that we need to pay attention to?

Top 50 wins are definitely important, and “good” road wins are probably as important as overall road record. Last year, the committee chair said that Oregon was selected in large part because of three “really good” RPI Top 100 road wins. Granted, one of those those was against #92 Cal, but the committee does like road performance. Also, going 3-1 against Minnesota and Penn State can’t hurt if it comes down to a head to head discussion.

How many teams do you see making the field from the Big Ten? By my untrained eye I feel like there are eight teams that have resumes that look “tournament worthy”.

Much of the criticism I’ve heard of the Big 10 is that there are a lot of good but not great teams (seven in the RPI Top 50), somehow inflating the profiles of mediocre teams (seven teams finished between 11-7 and 9-9) with all of the opportunities for top 50 wins. Of course, part of the reason for so many top 50 teams is good non-conference performance, at least according to the RPI’s standards. That said, while there are eight teams in now, the conference tourney is sure to cause some attrition and at least one will probably fall out. That’s another good reason why it would be good for Michigan to take care of business against Iowa.

Right now you have the Big Ten bubble teams ranked in this order: Ohio State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State. Is Minnesota really ahead of Michigan despite the fact that Michigan has more top 50 wins, a better out of conference resume, the same in conference record, and swept Minnesota?

Through Monday’s games, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan are ranked 35-37 on the S-Curve separated by 0.24 seed points. A difference this small can change quickly, often by things outside a team’s control (e.g. an opponent dropping out of the RPI Top 50 which affects the number of Top 50 wins). Unfortunately, we don’t consider head-to-head games, but I suspect the committee only tends to use those a tiebreakers because of the sheer number of possible head-to-head comparisons over 5000+ games.

Minnesota has a slightly better non-conference RPI (partly because Michigan has four games against RPI 300+ opponents) even though Michigan has the stronger schedule. I don’t like looking only at strength of schedule (in fact, I don’t use SOS explicitly for either selection or seeding) because there has to be a balance between playing tough games and winning them. Michigan’s two top 50 non-conference wins are better than Minnesota’s one, and the loss at Maryland doesn’t look so bad after North Carolina also lost there. My guess is that to the human eye Michigan’s profile is slightly above Minnesota’s. However, as a wise man once said, all bubble teams have some warts – that’s why they’re on the bubble.

Make sure to check out Crashing The Dance at www.crashingthedance.com.

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Tuesday Links & Notes

John Beilein's Weekly Press Conference: March 9, 2009

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Viewers Guide

Really just one big game on the bubble today, here is the quick viewers guide.

  • Cleveland State at Butler – 9PM ESPN
    Root for Butler to win the conference title so they don’t snatch an extra at-large bid.
  • Georgetown at St. Johns – 2PM
    Georgetown still has that gaudy RPI and a nice set of quality wins, St. John could end any NCAA tournament dreams in the first round of the Big East tournament. Yeah, I know this game is almost over…
  • Oakland vs. North Dakota State – 8 PM ESPN2
    Go Golden Grizzlies! Neither of these teams would warrant an at large bid but Michigan did play Oakland and it would be great to see the local program in the dance.
  • DePaul beat Cincinnati earlier today which I think hurts Providence a bit. The Friars miss a chance at another top 100 win and have nothing to gain with a win over DePaul. The Louisville game in the quarterfinals will be Providence’s chance to make a statement.
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