Game 23: Indiana at Michigan Open Thread

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Michigan returns home this evening to host the Indiana Hoosiers. The Wolverines have had two of their worst shooting performances of the season in their last two home games, but will need to elevate their level of play against the No. 22 ranked Hoosiers.

Tip-off is scheduled for 9:00 p.m. in a primetime ESPN broadcast featuring Mike Tirico and Dan Dakich on the call. Join the open thread in the comments section below.

  • MGoTweeter

    Ok. Hopefully they figured some things out at half in terms of the mirror. Cut this to 15 at the under 16 and go from there

  • Zack Foote

    The refs have very little to do with the score, Michigan was out played, period. Indiana is much more athletic than Michigan, if you can’t see that, you have no idea.

  • jemblue

    Are you [SWEAR WORD] kidding me?

  • Cory

    DUNCAN FOR 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • mpbear14

    That play Crean just ran was awesome

  • Wayman Britt

    Dumb play by Irvin

  • Wayman Britt

    IU misses three and we don’t capitalize. Pathetic

  • Cory

    Come on Donnal. Act like you care to be out there.

  • mpbear14

    Ward Manuel can’t be impressed

    • Chezaroo

      He saw ALOT worse than this when he was here before

  • MGoTweeter

    And of course the refs come out and call Indiana for a bunch of touch fouls to start the half

  • Wayman Britt

    We score then give up a easy lay up. UM does that all the time.

    • Chris De Sana

      Two guys that coach claims to be high level defenders are simply not. MAAR and Irvin.

  • jemblue

    Missed opportunity to get it to a semi-manageable deficit these last few minutes.

  • MGoTweeter

    That last layup by yogi shows the difference between Michigan and Indiana tonight. Yogi gets bumped and fouled but keeps his dribble and gets to the other side of the rim for the layup. Michigans guards/wings have not been able to do that all game

    • Chris De Sana

      And have not had that consistently since Trey left, his ability to finish at the rim opened the court. That is what is really missed on this team.

  • Chezaroo

    I’m still in shock that as a team we spent the last ten minutes of the first half REFUSING to get back on defense. And the coaching staff accepted it willingly. As usual, if we aren’t hitting shots we turtle in other areas.

  • MGoTweeter

    Hard to comeback when you brick free throws

    • jemblue

      I swear, we just aren’t as reliable a FT shooting team as you’d think given our shooting ability.

  • Corperryale

    Echoing someone below, do our only remaining wins of the season come vs Northwestern and Minnesota?

    • Cory

      I don’t see @ Minnesota as a gimme.

      • Corperryale

        I am trying to stay positive, man.

    • bleedblue

      We are good enough to beat good teams (Maryland) but we are also painfully capable of losing badly

    • jemblue

      We shouldn’t overreact to this one game. I mean for one thing, Caris should come back.

      • Wayman Britt

        Are you sure Caris is coming back. The coach and fans have been saying that for three weeks now and he still is sidelined.

        • jemblue

          I actually don’t think Beilein’s been that coy. He acknowledged that he wasn’t practicing for awhile and says he’s started now, and is doing more than before. So I assume he’s getting closer.

    • Trevor Howenstine

      My money will be on Minnesota.

  • bleedblue

    0/4 freethrows is laughable

  • Wayman Britt

    We are making IU better shot blockers than Purdue

  • Chris De Sana

    Why does Donnal pass up that wide open 3 where he is not even guarded? He has shown he can hit that especially when it is a 3 pt set shot.

    • Indiana_Matt

      asking same question

      • Chris De Sana

        Was that not one of his strengths? Ability to stretch the defense by hitting the wide open jumper? He certainly shoots the 3 better than some that put up far more of them.

  • mpbear14

    Irvin’s vertical may be negative

  • Wayman Britt

    Walton just got burned.

  • jemblue

    IU’s trying to help out with all these quick threes they’re bricking. But we don’t want to take the favor.

  • MGoTweeter

    Tough to watch. Guys get touched on a cut or drive and just stop instead of playing thru it. Hard to run any kind of offense consistently doing that unless you have one great player who can go one on one.

  • Chezaroo

    Man is the differential in foot speed and athleticism every been so alarming? Indiana has a really nice group of Frosh as well.

    • Wayman Britt

      There is a lot to be said for foot speed. UM has none, even Walton cannot keep up.

  • MGoTweeter

    Don’t understand why Dawkins isn’t seeing more minutes right now over rahk. Rahk hasn’t made a jumper in forever and his defense has been Dawkins level for a few games.

    • Chris De Sana

      And he is a great athlete

    • MAAR has been awful, but Dawkins has probably given up 10 points on backcuts where he’s just ball watching.

      • MGoTweeter

        I know he has but rahk hasn’t been much better if at all on d. Rather play the guy that might actually hit an open three

        • Yep I don’t really disagree.. He’s just asleep defensively though man, unreal.

      • Chezaroo

        It’s hard to call Caris our best defender, but my gosh even his subpar abilities dwarf the efforts of our perimeter group tonight. Zero foot speed.

    • Wayman Britt

      He like the other players cannot play defense.

    • bobohle

      Matador defense

  • Wayman Britt

    I am glad our next game is not against a team that over plays three point shooters, gets in your face on defense and rebounds.

  • MGoTweeter

    Finally Walton keeps his dribble after a little bump and he gets to the other side of the rim.

  • MH_20

    Good lord. Show some goddamn pride.

  • bleedblue

    Dawkins on D is like playing 5 on 4

    • mpbear14

      Dawkins is as good as his ranking was coming out of high school.

      • MGoTweeter

        That’s not true.

        • mpbear14

          Are you saying he’s worse?

          • MGoTweeter

            There were nba scouts talking about him at the end of last year. He has a long ways to go and in a lot of ways has taken a step back this year. But he is much better as a player than his recruiting ranking suggested.

          • mpbear14

            I respectively disagree. There will not be another NBA scout that talks about him from here on out. He doesn’t have it.

          • MGoTweeter

            That could be true but he has already surpassed what his ranking would have suggested. Question is just where he goes from here?

          • mpbear14

            I hope further down the rotation assuming JB recruits better. He is a liability on both ends and I don’t see that changing.

          • MGoTweeter

            Definitely hard to argue with the way he has been playing this year

          • Wayman Britt

            The problem is that the John doesn’t have that many openings. The 2014 class has been a bust.

          • Chris De Sana

            2014

            Kameron Chatman (Portland, OR)

            DJ Wilson (Sacramento, CA)

            Austin Hatch (Loyola, CA)

            Aubrey Dawkins (Palo Alto, CA via New Hampton, NH)

            Muhammad Ali Abdur-Rahkman (Allentown, PA)

          • Wayman Britt

            Good point. The 2014 class is going to be around to stink the place up, unless someone leaves.

          • Chris De Sana

            Is 2013 a whole lot better?

            2013

            Zak Irvin (Fishers, IN)

            Derrick Walton (Chandler Park, MI)

            Mark Donnal (Anthony Wayne, OH)

          • Indiana_Matt

            I think it would be quite a stretch to call this class a bust.

          • Chris De Sana

            Not calling them a bust but we had some serious momentum after the previous classes where multiple players made it to the next level. Do you think any of these guys do the same?

          • Indiana_Matt

            Do you mean the NBA by “next level”? 2012 is the only class with multiple NBA players. Our success came with having 1 NBA player per class for 3 years in a row and then having the amazing 2012 class. Would be great to have one NBA player in the 2013 class and one in the 2014 class. I think Irvin is still a borderline guy. Perhaps a D-leaguer. Not giving up on him. But most likely having no NBA players in the 2014 class is painful. Good players, but maybe no one at all at that next level. Too early to tell with Mo.

          • Wayman Britt

            Not saying they are bad players, but MAAR and Dawkins were both second choices after we could not sign better players.

          • Tuff Enough

            1000 % he is not NBA Material period. Just does not have it in him but he will get a good degree anyways.

          • Wayman Britt

            Wasn’t he UM plan B, they missed out on talented guys and got him late.

          • MH_20

            Yes. They only got in on him when Plan A guys fell through.

  • There is no chemistry between Robinson, Irvin, and Walton. None.

  • Wayman Britt

    Boy 2013 seems like light years away.

  • MGoTweeter

    Welp. Not sure I can last til the end of this one. Really regret rushing over here and running to get in. Hopefully this is a nice wake up call for these guys and they show a little more effort on the weekend.

  • Wayman Britt

    Get Dawkins out of there, just terrible defense.

  • MH_20

    MICHIGAN MADE A FREE THROW

  • bleedblue

    “It’s down to 21”

  • Rich74

    Time for a 22-0 run?

    • MGoTweeter

      I like the way you think. Or don’t like, depending on how tired I am tomorrow

      • Rich74

        don’t think you have to worry about the greatest comeback of all time.

  • GTFOmycourt

    I don’t understand why Dawkins is still in the game.

  • MH_20

    With Michigan’s luck Walton will need to have surgery from being poked in the eye.

    • bleedblue

      You mean his “upper head” injury?

      • MH_20

        I had to laugh so I didn’t cry.

  • GTFOmycourt

    The transition dunk on Doyle is a head scratcher. How do you let someone dunk when you are literally standing under the basket?

    • Rich74

      I think it is because he has a vertical jump of 1″.

  • GTFOmycourt

    I will never understand why JB allowed Dawkins to stay in there for so long. For whatever reason he played horrible basketball. It is on JB for not benching him.

  • Chris De Sana

    Not that ESPN is perfectly accurate but here are the 2013 and 2014 recruiting results.
    2013
    PLAYERPOSLOCATIONHTWTSTARSGRADESCHOOLZak Irvin
    Video | Scouts Report
    SFFishers, IN
    Hamilton Southeastern High School6’6”18591Michigan
    Signed
    Derrick Walton
    Video | Scouts Report
    PGDetroit, MI
    Chandler Park Academy6’0”16589Michigan
    Signed
    Reggie Cameron
    Video | Scouts Report
    PFHackensack, NJ
    Hudson Catholic High School6’7”21086Georgetown
    Mark Donnal
    Video | Scouts Report
    PFWhitehouse, OH
    Anthony Wayne High School6’8”22582Michigan
    Signed2014
    PLAYERPOSLOCATIONHTWTSTARSGRADESCHOOLDevin Booker
    Video | Scouts Report
    SGMoss Point, MS
    Moss Point High School6’5”18593Kentucky
    James Blackmon, Jr.
    Video | Scouts Report
    SGMarion, IN
    Marion High School6’2”17593Indiana
    Keita Bates-Diop
    Video | Scouts Report
    SFBloomington, IL
    University High School6’7”19092Ohio State
    Jae’Sean Tate
    Video | Scouts Report
    SFPickerington, OH
    Pickerington Central High School6’5”19090Ohio State
    Kameron Chatman
    Video | Scouts Report
    SFPortland, OR
    Columbia Christian Schools6’7”20088Michigan
    Signed
    Trevon Bluiett
    Video | Scouts Report
    SFIndianapolis, IN
    Park Tudor School6’5”20587Xavier
    Vincent Edwards
    Video | Scouts Report
    SFMiddletown, OH
    Middletown High School6’7”20082Purdue
    Donte Grantham
    Video | Scouts Report
    SFMartinsburg, WV
    Hargrave Military Academy6’7”200POSTClemson
    Ricky Doyle
    Video | Scouts Report
    CFort Myers, FL
    Bishop Verot High School6’9”22578Michigan
    Signed
    D.J. Wilson
    Video | Scouts Report
    PFSacramento, CA
    Capital Christian School6’8”21576Michigan
    Signed
    Aubrey Dawkins
    Video | Scouts Report
    SGPalo Alto, CA
    New Hampton School6’2”175POSTMichigan
    Signed
    Muhammad-Ali Abdur-Rahkman
    Video | Scouts Report
    SGAllentown, PA
    Allentown Central Catholic High School6’4”64Michigan
    Signed
    Austin Hatch
    Video | Scouts Report
    SFLos Angeles, CA
    Loyola High School6’6”21057Michigan
    Signe

    • Wayman Britt

      The class of 2014 has been a total bust, if you’re expectations are to be in the top three of the Big Ten.

  • bleedblue

    Soap box time: This game was terrible. We played terribly. We played bad, then Indiana played really well, then we got discouraged, then we played terribly. There are obvious, glaring flaws to our team, especially our tendency to give up when we get hit hard and our inability to guard the dribble-drive. BUT, we are capable of playing so much better. The Maryland game isn’t that long ago. We aren’t a great team, but we can play great. There will be better games and (I say while knocking on wood) there can’t be games that are any worse. We still have one of the great coaches in the country to right the ship. And we have a future first round pick and our true leader, on the bench. If (so sad it’s an if) he comes back, things can change drastically.

    • Indiana_Matt

      In the old days I would say that we would definitely win against MSU. We would never stink it up twice in a row. Or even lose in any fashion twice in a row. It was so rare and we were so good at putting losses behind us. With Caris I would still feel that way. But my confidence is a little shaky, to be honest. But I love these guys and this team and our coach is top 10 in the game. So I can hope… a little.

      • Trevor Howenstine

        Let’s face it, we are a fottball school. We can’t hang with the basketball schools like Indiana. IU even beat us when we had the fab 5 in 1993.

        • Indiana_Matt

          A sad reality that they always had our number back then. Those were two amazing teams battling. But they always got us.

    • Wayman Britt

      Bleedblue – I understand what you are saying, they will play better but to make the sweet 16 or final four they need better players. UM expectations should be to make the sweet 16 every year and a final four every three, not going to happen with the 13 and 14 recruiting classes.

      • bleedblue

        Early attrition has killed us. We didnt even get to fully appreciate JB’s finest recruiting efforts. Caris was the lowest rated player from that class, and look what JB made him. And, because of JB’s requirements and morals, the 2012 class was unprecedented and may never happen again. But we will continue to turn mediocrity into B1G-level performers, and eventually the lack of NBA-ready talent will lead to senior teams (Izzo manages to get high-level recruits, stunt their development until their senior year, and have a perpetual stream of under-achieving but exceptionally experienced seniors)

    • Tuff Enough

      We all know this team had some issue with the Big Men coming in but I think Beilein wanted the young guys to take the next step and that’s why he did not ask Max back and I think he even said that too. So only one took a little step forward with Donnal only and the rest well I think ate to much food. Then having your only two senior go down and your JR coming off injuries is wonder they are not in last place IMO. Go Blue..Keep fighting.

  • Chezaroo

    Remember when we were up 15-4? Me neither.

  • jr_ewing93

    I love all my loyal Michigan fans. So when they winning yall riding but win they lose they recruiting class stink. Terrible

    • Chris De Sana

      I think the point many are trying to make is that we had some successful recruiting classes and our most successful seasons due to them. And many thought that we should be able to keep the ball rolling but it has not happened