Game 23: Michigan at Iowa Open Thread

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Michigan faces Iowa this afternoon (2 p.m. ET) with hopes of staying at the top of the Big Ten standings. The Wolverines handled the Hawkeyes comfortably in Ann Arbor, but should have their hands full against an Iowa team desperate for a marquee victory.

Dan Dakich and Bob Wischusen will handle broadcasting duties for ESPN with tip off scheduled for 2:05 p.m. Join in the open thread before, during and after the game below.

Pre-Game Reading:

  • MGoTweeter

    Horford is a big issue on the glass right now

  • kam

    Glenn cannot create his own shot

    • Madrox

      I want him to be as good as he is talented, but all he can really do is jump right now.

  • Northern Blue

    Walton showing some fire and competitveness. He will be a great leader down the road.

  • $584645

    Since when is GRIII mediocre?

    • guestavo

      When wasn’t he?

      • $584645

        Well he’s playing worse than his rookie year this season.

      • MLaw

        His ‘greatness’ more a reflection of Burke than anything GR3 has shown.

  • nexttimedown

    It it does not appear Michigan came ready to play. GR3 cannot have the quality of his play be dictated by whether he is making shots beyond the arc. Michigan players repeatedly not boxing out. I am very discouraged by today’s performance. After losing to MSU & OSU at home during the past 2 weeks, did Michigan not realize Iowa would come out with a high level of intensity?

    • MLaw

      Pretty sure we told the players to just lay down and die today. You can tell players to get up all you want, but it doesn’t happen consistently. Especially on the road these things do happen. We are not an elite team this year. We will have ups and downs. Gotta hang on and we could be rewarded with some more great games.

      • MGoTweeter

        Even elite teams have these games. There were several stinkers on the road by the team last season as well

        • MLaw

          True. MSU at Georgetown was simply a head scratcher.

  • nexttimedown

    As athletic as GR3 is, he struggles taking defenders off the dribble because he is not a confident ball handler and cannot go left.

    • kam

      Ive never seen him consistently blow by defenders

  • BritMan

    Dakich is right. GR3 never shows up for big games.

  • guestavo

    Our best offensive option has no lateral quickness. Our second best offensive option doesn’t play to his strengths.

    • guestavo

      Difference between a McDermott and a Stauskas is a post game.

      • MGoTweeter

        Three inches don’t hurt either

        • guestavo

          Negated by the fact that McDermott plays against bigger defenders

          • Madrox

            Also worse defenders on average. McDermott is good, but he wouldn’t put up those scoring numbers in a major conference.

          • guestavo

            Creighton is in a major conference and he put up the same exact numbers against all the ranked teams he has played and in the tournament for 4 years

      • MGoTweeter

        Stauskas is a better ball handler as well. McDermott is a crazy scorer though

        • guestavo

          Does ballhandling matter when you can’t utilize it?

          • MGoTweeter

            What r u even talking about? This is ridiculous. Stauskas is struggling right now. Couple weeks ago he was lights out. Guys go through slumps

          • guestavo

            I think you need a reality check. Teams have figured out quick guys with lateral quickness can shut him down with ease. This isn’t a coincidence.

    • jemblue

      Caris is – at worst – our second-best option.

      • guestavo

        Not ideally he shouldn’t be and I am one of the biggest Caris supporter on here.

        • jemblue

          Maybe not, but he can create, something GRIII can’t (and even Nik struggles with at times).

          • guestavo

            No doubt. I’ve said long ago that Caris has the brightest future on this team.

  • MLaw

    Caris approaching 50% of our teams points.

  • kam

    was that really a foul?

    • Madrox

      For the home team, usually

  • jemblue

    I’m sorry, but Nik does not look NBA ready at the moment.

  • Madrox

    Well, this means Nik should be back for his junior year now right?

    • MLaw

      I’m sure he doesn’t want to, but if he gets a second round grade from the draft committee, he should strongly consider it.

  • kam

    Nik really cant get by small guys.. Have fun with craft on him

  • Madrox

    Death to the zone

    • MGoTweeter

      Just death to this game. Iowa has just wanted it more. Doesn’t matter what defense michigan plays

  • OPD

    Getting killed on the boards. Need a time machine to speed up Mitch’s recovery. He needs to come back for his junior year to show the scouts what he can really do. Also, Nik looks a bit lost. He should probably stay another year and gain consistency. Same thing with GRIII. Silver linings abound! ;)

    • MGoTweeter

      Or just wait a week or so when nik and GRIII go off again and everyone on here starts talking about them being lottery picks again. People go way overboard based off a couple good games and a couple bad ones

  • Tony DeMaria

    I get that Michigan is getting destroyed but do they announcers have to bag on our team and individual players so badly?

    • MLaw

      Dakich kills us whenever we lose.

    • Madrox

      I am not a huge fan of Dakich, but he isn’t really saying anything wrong right now. What has he said about Michigan team today that isn’t true? These aren’t personal attacks, they are comments on their play on the basketball court today.

      • Tony DeMaria

        The comment about Stauskas only playing good against crappy non-conference teams got to me. I mean East Lansing was only 2 weeks ago.

        • Madrox

          Thats fair, and while he was referring to Nik, he didn’t explicitly reference him, and he could have just as easily been referring to GRIII, which I think is a fair criticism of him

  • Chezaroo

    You are never as good as you looked, or as bad as you played. Lot of big games down the road.

  • BritMan

    Morgan and Horford should be rallying the team. They’re the seniors on the team. They’ve played in these hostile away game environments before.

    • kam

      jon is a junior

      • Joel_C

        Did he reshirt a year? He was on the team for the 2011 tournament run…

        • jemblue

          He broke his foot his sophomore year and got a medical redshirt.

  • MLaw

    Gotta get up for Columbus and move on from this one. Don’t get injured and come back hungry. This one is over.

  • guestavo

    Aaron Craft is going to look like Chris Paul 3 days from now.

    • MLaw

      I might take that bet. He has been crazy inconsistent this year. Obviously a big game for them, but Nik has to wake up someday right? right?

  • kam

    holyyy glenn

    • Tony DeMaria

      I can’t remember if he was this mediocre last year. It’s possible that he’s the same as last year but we weren’t counting on him to be a leading scorer and were enamoured with his potential.

      • MGoTweeter

        I definitely think he is a better player than last year overall(minus shooting). It’s just that he is being asked to do more this year and his game is still not all there.

  • jemblue

    Having Nik get shut down creates the secondary problem of our posts also disappearing offensively. We have to find ways to get them points. Can we run pick and roll through Caris?

    • MGoTweeter

      Maybe spike. He is the only other guy good at making passes to the roll man

      • jemblue

        Not sure he brings enough offensively to the table to be a credible threat. Walton?

        (I guess the other question is why we can’t just continue to use Nik, maybe have him bring it up court?)

        • MGoTweeter

          Walton has been terrible at finding the bigs off the dribble. Perhaps he will get there at some point this year but guessing it won’t come until some time next season

    • MLaw

      Caris hasn’t shown the best decision making on interior passing. Worth a shot, but I agree that Spike is our next best distributor on the P&R.

      • guestavo

        Then you give up defense and teams will just soft hedge and make Spike become more of a scorer.

  • Joel_C

    GR3 stop being useless 95% of the time

  • Mattski

    Unhappy watching Glenn get humiliated here; bout to turn it off. Ouch.

  • Mattski

    I’d have had another timeout.

  • nexttimedown

    This game is lost. JB needs to send a message and bench some guys. The massage should be that if you do not play hard at both ends, you sit.

    • MLaw

      Bench everyone. No need to get hurt. It also sends a message that this is unacceptable.

    • MGoTweeter

      I’m pretty sure the players know this is bad and unacceptable. Better to work on things and look at this as a practice from this point

      • MLaw

        Fair, but emotions could get high. Players might get hurt. It could actually hurt them to play through this and get humiliated. You would hope they are big enough to realize this is just one game, but this is how slides start. Not sure we are forming many good habits today.

  • bluewill

    Can take a bad loss on the road, but the lack of fire is disturbing. miss that from Mitch. sure hope this isn’t the beginning of an epic slide down the standings…

    • MGoTweeter

      Same thing as last season in EL. Happens

    • Joel_C

      Hopefully this is just our @Michigan St game of this year

      • guestavo

        Then what is Indiana? Penn St?

        • MLaw

          Actually pretty good fit for the analogy.

        • Joel_C

          Noooo Indiana’s better than that….that’s a standard road loss…I’m just trying to justify this massive beatdown

  • Chezaroo

    You are never as good as you looked (Nebraska) or as bad as you played (Iowa). There are a lot of big games down the road guys. Take our beating and move on.

  • $584645

    Start Irvin over GRIII next game please

    • Joel_C

      Very much in favor of this. Seriously how can people talk about GR3 going pro when he hardly ever comes close to playing to his potential?

      • MGoTweeter

        Well mainly because all the nba cares about when you are young is that potential

        • Joel_C

          Just don’t get why he can’t show it in-game

        • $584645

          At what point does NBA potential become And1 streetball potential?

  • Mattski

    Lead back to 20–woot.

  • Chezaroo

    We scored more than 52. Took us 35 minutes.

  • guestavo

    Hopefully Wisconsin shows up tomorrow.

    • MLaw

      Similar situation for Wisconsin: Backs against the wall at home against a big opponent.

      • Mattski

        Wisconsin is arguably regressing the mean; Iowa is rising to its potential.

        • Mattski

          to–giving up writing now.

        • MLaw

          That’s narrative. If Wisconsin goes on a run, this game will be a turning point in their season.

        • guestavo

          No one would have said that before today

  • Mattski

    Missed the first half–Nik was again taken out of the equation early?

    • kam

      they put the lil PG on him

  • guestavo

    Even if everyone comes back, Caris will be our best player next year and it will be crystal clear.

    • Chezaroo

      No doubt.

    • MLaw

      Not sure I agree. Mitch will probably be better than he was last year. Walton is improving. Nik and Glenn will have to realize that next year is their last shot at the NBA. Still possible. His upside is unknown.

      • guestavo

        Just watch.

        • MLaw

          I plan to. :) It could totally happen.

    • MGoTweeter

      Has potential. Still a ways to go. Was not that long ago that levert was struggling much worse than what stauskas or GRIII are goin through

      • guestavo

        He’s also younger, less in-game experience and less phsyically developed than either and yet there isn’t a clear gap right now.

        • MLaw

          I think his physical development is further along than we might think. He won’t gain as much as he did this offseason. But could improve his play-making ability.

        • MGoTweeter

          Right at this moment maybe no gap. Two weeks ago, month ago, huge gap. You seem overly obsessed with the poor play of a couple guys in slumps.

          That said if levert is the best player next year, then michigan will be the most talented team in the country

          • guestavo

            Slumps are not by coincidence, which is something you keep brushing aside. Teams know about Nik now.

          • MGoTweeter

            Not brushing it aside, just stating the obvious basketball facts. Burke went through slumps as well. Every player does. Great ones adjust. We will see if nik figures things out.

          • guestavo

            This isn’t simply a slump, teams are playing Nik differently.

          • MGoTweeter

            And nik and the team will hopefully adjust. Then teams will see that adjustment and make another adjustment to that. Thats how it goes when you are a really good player. Plus Nebraska played virtually the same as Iowa defensively and it worked out pretty poorly all around.

          • guestavo

            We’ll have a pretty firm answer in the next 3 games, starting Tue w/ OSU. Nebraska doesn’t necessarily have the talent or athleticism as as those teams.

          • David DeMember

            I think they’ll adjust. Beilein is a great in-season teacher and he’s not afraid to admit he’s wrong.

    • Mattski

      Probably wouldn’t be the media’s take, but I agree. McGary might challenge for the honor.

  • Paul Anderberg

    If teams think that they can control Stauskas by guarding him with their SMALL, fast guard, why not clear out a bit and let Nik post the little guy up?

    • kam

      Nik has no post game thats why.. our big men don’t even have post games. Nik probably has never posted up in his life

      • Paul Anderberg

        Have him work on it out on his rink in his backyard. heh

        No, really – I have to believe that a talented guy like Nik could learn. I bet LaVell could help him!

        • kam

          i think so too! But that would take probably another offseason. Might be difficult to learn that in a short time. But if he could that would be huge

    • MGoTweeter

      Tried it against Indiana a bit but stauskas isn’t strong enough to hold position and michigan is a poor entry post passing team

      • MGoTweeter

        Iowa didnt guard him with a small guy today. Marble is close to nik in height and probably has fifteen pounds in him

        • guestavo

          Gessell guard Nik the whole first half…

          • MGoTweeter

            Um no. Marble almost entirely when he was in

  • Chezaroo

    What was Draft Express opinion of Nik two weeks ago?

    • guestavo

      They mentioned the Indiana and Duke game pretty extensively.

      • guestavo

        Not like Nik would be the focal point of an NBA defense or an on-ball player running PnR…

      • Chezaroo

        Indiana was 6 days ago, right?

        • guestavo

          DX was a few days after that and their mock was updated a few days after that video

          • Chezaroo

            I was referencing their ranking of him two weeks ago.

          • guestavo

            His rankings are the same even with the knowledge that he lacks lateral quickness

  • Chezaroo

    I thought he was predicated top 20?

  • Mattski

    Dispiriting. Curious how they play at OSU.

    • MLaw

      We will see in just two days. Short break is nice to get this taste out of our mouths.

      • Mattski

        Or look tired. Lose there, too, and everyone is downgrading our prospects considerably.

  • MGoTweeter

    Tough loss. Mihigan just did not have it today and Iowa came out firing in. Hard to take anything away from games like this because it was clear the effort was not there.

    Hope for a wisky win tomorrow an beat the buckeyes on Tuesday!

  • Joel_C

    That was cool that Dakich could get an assist in front of his dad

  • Chris De Sana

    Just got back from watching the game at a friends and man o man was ESPN ever killing GR3.

    • MGoTweeter

      Not as bad as some of the michigan fans on this blog

      • Chris De Sana

        We agree but I have rarely watched a game where on player was singled out so may times.

        Bricking a straight away 3 is like missing a lay up
        A first round pick has to make that
        Cool is for the clubs
        Without Burke he has no offense

        And I am sure I missed a couple others.

        • AADave

          Dakich was ragging on him all game. He was also ragging on Stauskas. Dakich was insufferably annoying and I had to turn the sound off to watch the game, a first for me. With regards to GR III, some of his comments are somewhat accurate but not balanced. GR III has played like a pro at times but has two main problems, a lack of consistent fire/aggressiveness and a subpar handle. The first problem is mental and can be fixed, I think. His dad had aggressiveness and a killer instinct. Maybe just needs to go back and watch tapes of his dad. As for the second problem, I’m not as certain if it can be easily fixed. I think it can with desire and a lot of work. THJ made great strides with his handle and GR III should be capable of the same. With regards to Stauskas, Dakich was way off base talking about how he’s not handling the spotlight well. Total unfounded BS. Defenses are adjusting to his game. He will adjust and the team will adjust to get him more into the offense again.

          I seriously don’t know how Dakich is employed by ESPN. He’s a complete tool.

          • David DeMember

            I think he tries too hard to show he’s not a “fan” of Michigan when he probably is…

          • Joel_C

            Stauskas could certainly do with some more mental toughness. The one thing that bothered me was when he implied the Michigan players “don’t care”.

          • Indiana_Matt

            I think Dakich would rather we remember a comment he made about the game than the game itself. Seems to bring focus on himself with his “telling it like it is” schtick. Poor announcing in my opinion.

          • Chris De Sana

            Complete tool is IMO a bit harsh. He certainly has a different style similar to Johnny Miller and how he calls golf. And I don’t necessarily dislike it but in yesterday’s game it did seem a bit much as I would have preferred he suggest ways to improve such as demanding the ball in the post, coming off screens or any other idea that may have worked in the past.

  • Ben Sheler

    Irvin needs to start. GR3 looks like a 3-4 year player who will be very good eventually but needs time to develop. It is not his fault and he is not playing poorly. His game is what it is. It is everyone else who put the expectations on him that make it seem like he is playing bad.

    • kam

      He said “I’m going to come back and show people i have a lot more to my game no one saw last year”

      • Ben Sheler

        He did say that. I think he underestimated how difficult it is to develop the skills he didn’t have.

    • guestavo

      My problem is that he doesn’t play to his strengths. Why is he running PnR? Why is he leading the break? Why is he trying to break down his man off the dribble? Why is he taking contested 3s? Why is he taking wide open 3s with a full shot clock?

      • AADave

        I get your point but GR III needs to be able to do all these things if he’s going to reach his full potential and be a good pro. He needs to be able to run the break when the opportunity arises. GR III in the open court is exactly when he can use his athleticism optimally and get to the hoop. He does have a nice mid and longe range stroke and NEEDS to shoot open threes. But you are right about contested threes.

      • Indiana_Matt

        I love to see him catch the ball about 10-12 feet from the basket after a cut. He has great up and under moves and can use his pivot foot well. Also great catching at the elbow and nailing 15 footers. Obviously amazing at the rim. Definitely would like to see him play to strengths more. Would rather he not try to prove people wrong by pressing in the areas you mention.

        • guestavo

          But for Beilein’s offense to work, it seems he prefers for Nik and Glenn to sit out on the wings and stand…

    • Joel_C

      Hitting only backboard on an open 3, inexplicably dropping the ball when he’s driving to the hoop, scoring 2 points on 1/7 FG in 24 minutes – that is playing poorly, for anyone, let alone a guy who’s supposed to be one of our top scorers and has been labeled as ‘NBA-caliber’ from Day 1.

      • Ben Sheler

        When he does those things consistently, doesn’t that just mean it is who he is though? And 29% three shooters will occasionally hit backboard on open shoots. 35-40+% shooters likely will not.

        • Joel_C

          This was a bad game for him, but much of the season he’s put in very mediocre performances. We’ve seen that he can be a great player but usually he just looks average.

      • John

        He is playing frustrated. He’s pressing, that is the biggest problem. He knows his draft stock is falling and he seems to live and die with every shot. I actually feel bad for the kid at this point. He is not a first rounder and my guess is that he seriously regrets not making the jump when his stock was high. His game is being exposed and I don’t know whether he can stop the bleeding.

    • Russ

      Agreed… It’s everyone else’s fault for hyping him up so much…

  • guestavo

    Glenn Robinson III is the college version of Josh Smith.

    • Chris De Sana

      I like that comparison

    • David DeMember

      While they have a lot of similarities in style of play (see: athletic/big/defensive wing), seems like their on the opposite ends of the “team first” spectrum.

  • David DeMember

    This just in. The B1G is one of the toughest road conferences in a game where road games are already rough.