News & Notes on Trey Burke and the NBA Draft

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The build up surrounding Trey Burke’s NBA draft stay-or-go decision swells by the day.

One premium site says Burke is staying. Another says he’s gone. Separate of those reports, we’ve heard strong rumors on both sides of the coin that we would be likely to believe if it weren’t for the vast amount of conflicting information. The Burke family continues to reiterate that they are still going through the process, gathering information to make the best decision for Trey.

Wading through every rumor is a chore and its going to carry on until a final decision is made. The NBA Draft rumor mill is particularly troubling because there is such a broad spectrum of parties and motives involved. College coaches, family members, agents, acquaintances and just about everyone else seems to have an opinion in a draft decision. They are also all fighting for very different things.

Point Guards Flood the Draft

Weber State’s Damian Lilard, Washington’s Tony Wroten, North Carolina’s Kendall Marshall and Texas’ J’Covan Brown are among a few of the undergraduate point guards that have declared for the NBA Draft in recent days. Add in combo prospects like CJ McCollum, BJ Young and Austin Rivers as well as  guards that still have decisions to make such as Bradley Beal and Marquis Teague and suddenly a “weak” point guard class looks a whole lot more difficult. It remains to be seen where Trey Burke would rank among this group, but it’s clear that the group of guards continues to grow rapidly.

NBADraft.net on Trey Burke

Aran Smith of NBADraft.net took the time to provide some NBA-centric feedback on Trey – as things stand today. Smith projected that Burke is a “mid-second to undrafted player at this point”, noting that he hadn’t heard anything concrete from NBA circles regarding Burke’s decision.  He added that Burke is “intriguing to scouts, but leaving this year would be rushing things” and “despite the fact that it’s a weak point guard class, his stock is not high enough to make it a good decision”.

Smith mentioned Burke’s size as a major disadvantage to his draft stock – a problem that Burke can’t fix in the gym – but added that there was plenty of on court areas for Burke to improve including “advancing as a floor general while showing better vision and decision making”.

A Clarification on Timing & Deadlines

The dates and process surrounding the NBA Draft seems to change every year. Here’s the official timeline for the next month:

  1. April 6th – NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee feedback released to players by this date (players must submit to the Committee by April 3rd).
  2. April 10th – NCAA mandated date to withdraw from the NBA draft
  3. April 29th – NBA early entry deadline to declare for the NBA draft

The “real” deadline is April 29th. Potential NBA players gain nothing by declaring for the draft before April 10th because they won’t have any opportunity to withdraw from the draft down the road.

What this means is that if Burke declares anytime after April 10th, his decision will be final but that he has no reason to declare before April 29th unless he is absolutely sure of his plans.

  • Mattski

    If he goes I will eat this hat. Fortunately, it’s made of straw. But I just can’t see it. 

    Thanks for the dateline; I will check back in on the 10th and the 29th.

  • LexLuger

    He’ll stay.  He would’ve declared three weeks ago if he was leaving. Smart on his part to test the waters and get free information.

  • anton

    He gone.

  • toblav

    Two points:  1. Do I understand this right?  If he hasn’t ‘declared’ then he can’t ‘withdraw’.  So unless he ‘declares’ before then the 10th is meaningless.  Unless he makes an anouncement we won’t know until the 29th.
                         2. Is the NBA the only place in the world where the idea of being as fully prepared as possible for doing something doesn’t apply?

    • Sethbu1

      Yeah, I guess theoretically he could not withdraw before the 10th, and then not declare before the 29th…which would result in him neither being able to go to school or play in the NBA next year. So the 10th is effectively the deadline for his decision.

      • Chris

        The 10th is only a deadline if you have already declared and want to come back.  So the 29th is the deadline for his decision. 

  • Matt

    Are there any rumblings of any viable options as a Graduate transfer? I think finding a 5th year guy, or a guy that has graduated from a mid-major in 3 years would be great regardless if Trey stays or not. The position needs some help, and it would be great to not rely on Freshman PG’s all the time. I hope they can find a couple of these guys, honestly

    • Guest1

      What about Trey Zeigler from Central Michigan? Hes transferring since his dad/head coach was fired 

      • MGoTweeter

        how does it help the point guard problem by bringing in a guy who is not eligible next season and plays the same positions as TH Jr, Stauskas, Vogrich and Robinson?

  • Erik_in_Dayton

    FWIW, Sam Webb said this morning on WTKA that it’s *opinion* that Burke would leave if he had to make the decision today.  It looks like Burke probably hasn’t heard back from the advisory committee, though. 

  • guest

    Trey Burke has indeed left the University of Michigan program. He has informed many of his teammates and has withdrawn from classes.

    A new thread should be created to discuss PG options for next year… Akune? He just needs to bring the ball up and not turn it over and find one of our other superstars before the shotclock is up… I think he can do that!

    • Chris

      Care to share how you are privy to this information?  

      • Flwolve

        I’ve heard the same thing.

        • Erik_in_Dayton

          Did you read it on the internet or did you get it from someone on campus?

          • Kokbear

            I am in one of his classes currently, and he missed it this week. But, there is no indication he has withdrawn, to my knowledge – yet. Perhaps…he has a lot to think about and is taking a few days off?? I hope it’s not just wishful thinking… 

          • Flwolve

             Let’s just say that Trey has already told his professors that he is leaving which seems to be consistent with what others are posting.

          • Ksnyder1984

            I don’t believe you..

          • SamPerkins_420

            Just because he may not have physically been in class, doesn’t mean he withdrew.  Especially if he is auditioning for the NBA right now, he could have arrange with his profs to be not present during that period.

            Of course, it could lso mean he withdrew bc he’s going pro . . .

    • serious

       I would really hope that Burke would at least wait before he got his grade back from the advisory committee to declare.

      • SamPerkins_420

        He may already have gotten his feedback – the April 6th date is the date “by” when feedback is sent, not the date “on” which it is sent. So he may have it by now, and certainly will by EOD Friday.

    • Erik_in_Dayton

      Did you post this on Mgoblog yesterday by any chance?

      • Michigan4

        I was going to say the same thing.  It is almost word for word what was on MGoBlog. 

    • Jeff

      I think you overplayerd your hand a little when you said he “has withdrawn from classes”. I doubt he’d just quit college with just a couple weeks left in the semester. I won’t be surprised if he leaves, I just dont’ believe you have any info on the subject.

      • SamPerkins_420

        “I doubt he’d just quit college with just a couple weeks left in the semester.”

        Why? If he’s going to remain in the draft, there is no reason for him to be staying in classes – he should be working out, meeting with agents, etc. Remainin on campus & in class will do nothingto help him get a job in the NBA this year, but doing what I said will.

        FWIW, I have no idea what he’s going to do. But I do know that sticking around campus, if he’s already made his decision, makes no sense.

        • Jeff

          Maybe you’re right. I probably have a whole different mentality from him, but it seems silly to quit with only a couple weeks left in the semester. A lot of guys end up completing their degrees later on. FWIW, I think he’s gone. I think he has the same mind-set as Morris did, just wants to be done with the college game, regardless of what his draft status is.

          • SamPerkins_420

            I think in an ideal world, even if he’s decided he’s gone, he’ll figure out a way to complete this semester, earn those credits, and make a commitment to himself to finish the degree, either during or after his playing days are over. 

            But I think in the real world, guys who leave, leave as soon as the decision is made, and don’t bother to look back or think far enough ahead about things like unfinished schoolwork.

          • gobluemd16

            Exactly this..

    • Ksnyder1984

      Liar

  • gobluemd16

    All of these rumors point to him leaving even if the evidence isn’t completely concrete. I just don’t understand why, almost every draft service and expert has him at mid-second to undrafted. He’s an end of the bench player at best, if that, why not come back to school. Makes no sense to me

    • MGoTweeter

      re: not understanding why.  Does not really matter whether or not we understand why or even agree with why if he decides to leave.  It is his life and his decision.  If he feels it is in his best interest to pursue his professional career right now, then so be it.  I am not going to get upset about it or disagree with him on it, because I am not now nor will I ever, be inside his mind to fully understand his reasoning behind any decision. 

    • IUMIKE1

      In case the symbol beside this reply didn’t give it away, full disclosure, IU fan. I come here every now and then and just read and have never commented before, excellant source of UM hoops info. Burke seems to be in somewhat of a similar position as Watford, mid-second round to undrafted. If it’s not a financial thing then why not come back and increase thier NBA stock ? While it would help the other teams in the B1G, including IU, next year if he would enter the draft and not come back, IMO, he would greatly increase his NBA stock by coming back for one more year. Many IU fans think that Watford is looking at it as in, I already have my degree if I don’t make it onto a NBA team I will just go over seas and play. Curious, do the UM fans think that Burke is thinking along those lines, that if I don’t make it onto a NBA team I will just go over seas and play ?

      • MGoTweeter

        i just think everyone should just sit back and wait until Burke announces his decision.  All this speculation is meaningless.  It’s find to pass around rumors about what his decision might end up being, but to try and look for justifications or reasons behind such a decision is just silly.  Until Burke says something and explains his decision (if he even explains it), it is impossible to say what his thinking is and what his reasons are. 

        • MGoTweeter

          forgot to mention, but thanks for stopping by and please comment more in the future.  It is always nice to get an opponent’s view on things.

          • IUMIKE1

            Thanks, might just do that, and don’t worry I’m not into the whole put on the troll hat and jump on another blog just to trash and burn the other team or to try and start rumors and arguments. I’ll be checking back every now and then and might just throw a comment out there. Good luck this off season and next season, and for what it’s worth I wish we had gotten Mitch M I think he will be a force next year. If he matches up with Zeller next year it should make for some good bball viewing. Enjoy him next year cause I believe there will be a good chance it will be, barring injury or something else unforeseen, the only season you will get to enjoy him.

        • gobluemd16

          You’re right, it is just hard with this wave of rumors to not get emotional.  I just think it is a poor decision, and selfishly Trey is probably my favorite Michigan basketball player since I have been a fan.

      • SamPerkins_420

        Sometimes, returning to school can damage a guy’s stock.  The NBA GMs have proven that they love to look for the “diamong in the rough” & draft based on potential.  Sometimes, when a guy sticks around a while, it gives the NBA more chances to poke holes in his game. 

        Look at Jason Kapono – he once famously said, “If I had played in Europe and my name was Kaponski, I would have been a lottery pick.”  But alas, he played four years at UCLA, where he was hugely productive, and was a second round pick.  This is someone who was a proven guy, a legit 6’8″, who played in (at the time) a good conference, who was a four time all conference, and all-american, averaged over 16 ppg, while shooting over 45% from 3 & nearly 85% from the line.  But he was taken behind guys like Darko, Zarko, Zoran Planicic, Ndudi Ebi, and Maciej Lampe, and just ahead of Sofoklis Schortsanitis, Szymon Szewczyk & Slavko Varnes!!

        Also, it’s probably unlikely that Trey will grow more than a couple of inches more in his life, if at all.  Guys like Anthony Davis & Dennis Rodman having huge growth spurts age age 19+ are very rare.  That being said, even if he is currently graded as a second round talent, that may be his ceiling. 

        If he wants to get paid, he can take his chances in the draft & summer free-agent camps, and if that doesn’t work, he surely can earn low 6-figures right now playing in Europe.

        • Los Angeles Wolverine

          No offense, but Kapono is a terrible example.  He is a 6-8 shooter, and had nothing else to offer at the pro level.  He’s not athletic, and frankly playing for Steve Lavin in college he really didn’t improve at all.  For anyone who understands the logic of the NBA draft, it is easy to explain why every one of those guys on your list was drafted ahead of Kapono.  It is true that Burke will not grow, but there are plenty of things he can improve upon, and he’s more likely to make that improvement playing 35 minutes a game for us next year, as opposed to sitting on an NBA bench.  Here is a list of short point guards like Burke who improved their draft stock dramatically by staying in school – I’d confidently predict that none of these guys would have been first round picks if they had declared as freshmen:  Johnny Flynn, TJ Ford, Aaron Brooks, Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, DJ Augustine, Kyle Lowery, and Isiah Thomas (Washington).  

          • SamPerkins_420

            The two things those guys drafted ahead of Kapono all had were height, and hype – and that’s why they were taken ahead of Kapono.  Even if all he can do is shoot, that’s immediately more than any of the other guys I mentioned ever could do in the NBA. Kapono has played more games than all of them, and if you take out Darko, all of them put together.
             
            Burke doesn’t have the height, but he does have some hype.  I don’t disagree that playing time in college, as opposed to pine time in the pros, can improve Trey’s game, but it’s also indisputable that being a full time pro, who can work out, scrimmage, and practice an unlimited amount, will develop his game more than 20 hours/week under Beilein (and that’s only in-season, he can’t be formally coached at all from now until late summer). 
             
            And for every Johnny Flynn or TJ Ford who comes back & improves his stock, you have guys like Kalin Lucas, or Jerome Dyson from UConn, who get hurt after returning to school instead of going pro, and lose their shot at getting drafted.

          • SamPerkins_420

            But even if you disagree with me using Kapono as an example, can you disagree with my premise that NBA GM’s have proven, time and time and time again, that they love looking for potential, and will grab at potential over experienced collegian time & time again? (Hasheem Thabeet, Kostas Koufos & Mullens from Ohio State, Jamal Sampson from Cal, come immediately to mind).

          • SamPerkins_420

            One more thing about the benefit of being coached by & playing for Beilein – Burke figures to be the only the second player Beilein recruited who has a shot at the pros – and he’s been a head coach for over 30 years.  Darius Morris was a Beilein recruit, and Joe Alexander was a JB recruit to WVU, but he sucked until Bob Huggins came along.

            So JB doesn’t have a track record at all of producing NBA talent.  Morris was a consensus top 20 recruit coming in from LA, so his defection wasn’t that much of a suprise – how many people expected to see him play 4 years in AA?

          • Erik_in_Dayton

            To SamPerkins_420:  Darius Morris was the 20th ranked point guard in his class and a three-star in Scout.

          • SamPerkins_420

            LOL, my bad, I mis-read his wikipedia page to say he was top 20 overall, not 20th at the 1.  I’m much more of a follower of football recruiting than hoops, though I do love watching the basketball games almost as much as football.

            That being said, Morris is the one example in JB’s career of a guy who came in, improved under his tutelage, & got himself drafted and an NBA job.  I don’t doubt that guys like McGary will also go pro after learning under JB (assuming McGary doesn’t go pro before arriving on campus), and I think the shots of baby Big Dog suggest he has pro ptotential, too. 

            But I still think that unlimited practice & workout time at the pro level would outweigh the benefits of 38 mpg next year in the Big Ten for Trey.  Even if he rides the pine, the guys he’s practicing with & against everyday are all pros, while there may be a total of ten future pros he plays with & against in the Big Ten next season.  So that’s why I stated that returning to campus doesn’t always work out for the guy and his hoop dreams – again, see Kalin Lucas as a prime example.

            Don’t get me wrong, as a fan, I want to see him back.  I’m just trying to look at this objectively/playing a little Devil’s Advocate, and especially look at the variables not often discussed here or on MGoBlog, which may be part of the decision.

        • Jeff

          On the other hand, Europe will always be available to him, so he’s not risking too much coming back for another year, and what he can possibly gain is working his way up into the first round, or improving his game enough that he can actually catch on with an NBA team as a 2nd rounder or undrafted.

          • SamPerkins_420

            Yes you’re 100% correct that both Europe will always be there even if he remains in school (presumabley as a fall-back option if the NBA doesn’t work out), and also correct that he may be able to work himself into being a first rounder, with a 3 year guaranteed contract, if he comes back to AA for at least another season.

            But again, just to play Devil’s Advocate, he does risk injuring himself without ever being able to cash in on his athletic abilities.  What if, god forbid, he comes back & blows his knee out, or breaks his neck, or has some other terrible injury that permantely damages him & scares off anybody willing to pay him to play, whether in the NBA or overseas?

            That right there would be my concern if I was a high level freshman hoops player.  I think my opinion would be, try as hard as I can right now to latch on to the NBA and if that doesn’t work, go play in Europe for $100k + – that’s way more than any other 19 year olds earn right now.

          • Jeff

            Well, if he doesn’t go in the first round, he won’t have any guaranteed money anyways, so all he’d be risking is one year’s salary. He can get injured just as easily playing professionally somewhere as playing in college.

  • SamPerkins_420

    So is Jared Matthews anybody who would know anything? “@jMatthe313: So a friend said the professor told him Trey Burke won’t be finishing that class..”

  • Ksnyder1984

    Sullinger Just announced he’s going too..

  • Nick

    Sullinger declared today… If Burke declares, I wouldn’t be surprised if he did it on the same day.

  • jemblue

    I find it a little fishy that proven insiders don’t know what’s up yet supposedly there are like 20 message-board posters that “know” that he withdrew from class. How could you even know that? Professors don’t announce that kind of stuff.

  • mbball

    I think we could use a reader opinion poll!

  • Dave

    Leaving would be the stupidest early entry decision in quite some time – possibly ever.  All current information suggests that he’s a second rounder at best and will likely go undrafted.  His best chance at an NBA career would be to stay in school and develop his game more.  Playing with incredible talent at Michigan next year would elevate the level and visibility of his game.  No matter what, he’s a fringe NBA talent and it would be in his longer term interest to continue with school – and make the most of it while he is here.

    If he leaves, it would prove that he has incredibly bad judgement and we’re probably better without him – provided we get another PG.  

    • Jeff

      While I agree that he would be better served returning, there are numerous freshman each year who leave early and go undrafted. He probably has more going for him than many of those other freshman, so that makes it a little worse, but it’s not uncommon at all.

  • Alex

    It is Burke’s decision there is no denying that,

    However, if everybody is saying mid second round to non drafted, including this advisory board I think everyone would have a right to be upset with him and think he has made a tremendous mistake.

    That said if he doesn’t have the heart or desire anymore for college ball I would rather he leave. Look at what happened to Manny his last year when he wasn’t fully engaged.

    Hope Burke makes a smart decision for him.

    • Mattski

      How can you know if you are in possession of even half the variables he’s trying to take into account? 

      • Nick

        I agree with Alex.  He made a commitment to the University of Michigan, and is breaking it in the above situation for second round at best.  We have every right to be upset.

        • serious

           1) I don’t think that is what Alex is saying.

          2) You do realize that scholarships are given for one year, and renewed yearly after that, don’t you?

          3) Trey Burke doesn’t owe you anything. 

  • deSal

    trey burke say hi to marcus taylor.

    • serious

       Comments like this piss me off more than the potential of Trey leaving.

    • Michigan4

      Who are you to judge his decision one way or another.  If I were him and had to deal with fans like you I would want to get the hell out too.  Show some class.

    • mbball

      what pisses me off most is how similar their situations are, unfortunately.

    • ColinNer

      Marcus Taylor spent 2 season at MSU if i remember right. Frosh year they had a great team with J-rich and Zach Randolph. His sophomore year, the team struggled even though he had a great year

      • Guest

        Taylor is more like Darius, he had a monster sophomore season & thought he was ready to go pro then.  Both were 2nd round picks.  Difference is, Darius actually has played in the league, Marcus Taylor is wasting away going between the D-league & third tier Euro leagues

  • C_weezy27

    I’ve missed out on Kevin Garnett coming to UM playing along with Mo Taylor, and Traylor, Bullock ect. I’ve also missed out on Jamal Crawford playing along with Bernard Robinson, Blanchard, Gaines ect. If Burke would play one more season with the talent UM has coming in.. I would be so pleased just to see UM compete at a high level against the top notch competition coming in next year.

  • Tenz23

    I am friends with Trey, and I live in a dorm in the same floor as him.  From talking to Trey I have gatherd that he is planning on staying and is just testing the water to see if he get alot of hype.  He also understands that what is considerd a “weak” draft isnt that weak. 

    • Jeff

      Well,it’s nice to get some completely unverifiable news that is actually in our favor :-).

      • Guest

        This is what I heard:  “Um, he’s sick. My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.”

    • Erik_in_Dayton

      Please be true.  Please be true.  Please be true.

  • sam

    burke is not good enough for the nba right now, period.

    • Michigan4

      According to sam.  Well, I have sources that think he is good enough, period.

      • sam

        wow, homer4…  just because a guy comes from out of no where an has a very good season does not mean he can play in the nba.  Its great to get excited because we have had average at best teams for a long time but lets be real… nba for a 5’11″ set shooting point guard who is an okay passer???  he could stay at michigan, improve his #’s, and still NOT equal the likes of a marcus taylor.  and we all know how that turned out.  i know its fun to get excited but try to be real.  your “source” is an idiot.

  • Scott1222

    I as many of u you bleed the UM blue…w the incoming class is Trey thinkn mayb the spotlight gets taken off him…especially w THJ coming back w a vengeance…along w studs like Mitch and GRIII…It’s just a different spin and take on the subject..that’s all…but as a PG and the stacked team we have its a PG’s dream…or atleast I would think..Plus a ton of national exposure…I don’t kno at this point…The feedback we all have heard seems to be the same…stay another year…polish ur skills…become a better defender…increase ur 3 pt FG%…better court vision and awareness…we’ve all heard the same stuff..and late 2nd round to undrafted…?????.and from our perspective, the dedicated UM fans who have supported this program through all the ups and downs, banners taken down to scandals to poor seasons..It’s been awhile since the program has shown so much promise and excitement…so its natural for all of us to feel angry and bitter and quite frankly a bit emotional to a certain extent…I hope he stays but wish him the best if he goes…

    • gobluemd16

      I think the opposite is true. With such heralded recruits and great players coming in, Trey can play more as a facilitator which I think he must show more of for the next level.  Also, since I believe the team will be better next year, they will be in the national spotlight more frequently during the year that will lead to greater exposure.

      • Scott1222

        That’s what I think…I was just throwing that idea out there…its tough w everything I originally posted as to understanding why he wouldn’t return….

  • JimmyZ5

    Like most of us here I really hope Burke returns.  But I won’t criticize his decision if he leaves.  We all thought Manny and Morris made poor decisions – two years later Harris is earning PT in his second year as a pro.  He made the right call.  Morris is on an NBA roster.  That’s an incomplete right now, but it’s impossible to say he made the WRONG move right now. 

    Look at Kalin Lucas and Durrell Summers.  Neither left when their stock was “highest” and neither plays in the NBA.  Having said that, I believe that Burke has a lot to gain by playing with a more talented roster that includes multiple post guys.  He’s got a chance to improve tremendously while chasing a championship in the process.  One more year!

  • JimmyZ5

    Also I don’t really understand the difference between the NCAA withdrawal date and the NBA declare date.  Does this mean that he could still withdrawal from the pool after April 10th, provided he doesn’t “declare?”

  • Ampgraham

    I’m laughing at your post, because you didn’t mention Nik Stauskas as a viable player. I think that the disrespect being shown to him is really going to fire him up!!! I can’t wait to see you correct yourself next year. Hater!!!!! 

  • Ampgraham

    My post was in response to the MSU guy who only mentioned McGary and Robinson not being enough to overcome Burke leaving. 

  • Dr_ZC

    I can understand all the hoopla on whether Burke will go pro or not. What is surprising to me, is the lack of any comments at all from coach B. I believe the last 2-3 years he had something to say about Harris and Morris, before they announced for the NBA. Is this a sign that coach B is upset/annoyed ?  

    The Ann Arbor news and Detroit Free Press have posted articles that Trey is going to declare he is NBA bound. If this is the case, all the best to you Trey. From what you can see, UM Fans love you and they appreciate your contributions to Michigan Basketball.

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