Jan 27, 2010 at 2:01 am by Dylan Burkhardt Filed under: 2009-2010 Season

Game 20: Michigan State at Michigan Post Game

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Michigan battled the higher ranked and more talented Spartans for the entire forty minutes but in the end, like we have seen time and again this year, Michigan came up one basket short.

The bottom line is that Michigan didn’t make their shots in the clutch and Michigan State did. After DeShawn Sims airballed a three pointer from the corner, Kalin Lucas calmly knocked down a 15 foot jumpshot from the elbow to put the Spartans ahead for good.

The final two minutes were the killer for Michigan. Leading by three with the ball, Michigan got a terrible Stu Douglass look with time running down on the shot clock that was airballed. On the ensuing defensive possession, Draymond Green grabbed an offensive rebound from right over Douglass’  head for an easy put back.

On Michigan’s next possession DeShawn Sims got a wide open look from three point range that he airballed. The miss was painful but I have a tough time criticizing this shot because Sims had made his last two triples and was three of four on the night. The biggest problem with this possession is that Michigan needed to get a shot off sooner, if they had they could have left themselves more time on offensive after State’s made basket. I think this was the plan, with the hope that Harris would take the ball all the way but Michigan reset the offense and had Douglass penetrate and kick to Sims.

On the final possession, Beilein went with the 1-3-1. I assume the thinking here was to mess up whatever play MSU had set and it seemed to work, for about 15 seconds. Then Lucas found a gap and hit a wide open shot that was eerily similar to one that he hit from the other elbow versus Michigan’s 1-3-1 with 5 minutes to play.

Beyond the final stages of the game, Michigan really couldn’t make any shots. They shot just 32.8% from the field (eFG% 38.8%). Three point attempt after three point attempt clanged off the rim for Michigan. Everyone without Sims on their jersey combined to shoot 4 of 24 from three point range, 16.6%. If they could have shot even close to their season average they would have won this game easily.

It’s tough to beat anyone when you shoot that poorly. It’s even tougher to beat a top 10 team. Still, Michigan caused enough turnovers (30% of MSU’s possessions) that they were actually leading throughout much the contest.

Michigan has been playing much better defense than they were earlier this year and although it was a couple months too late, it was great to see the defensive intensity today. Thanks mostly to the turnovers, Michigan held Michigan State to only .928 points per possession. The only teams who have done better against Michigan State this year defensively were Texas and Wisconsin.

DeShawn Sims and Manny Harris weren’t particularly efficient but they were really all that Michigan had going for them. They nearly carried Michigan to victory without any help from the so called role players, who were invisible on the offensive end. Stu Douglass, Zack Novak, Darius Morris, and Laval Lucas-Perry were nothing short of brutal. If just one of those guys manages to hit more than one three point shot, Michigan would have been in great shape.

A lot is made about how Michigan shoots too many three pointers, and they took exactly half of their shots from three point range last night. However the real issue is that, beyond Harris and Sims, no one else has any ability to create or make shots inside the arc. There is no one else that can penetrate, no one else with any midrange game, no one else with a back to basket game, and no true distributor. The other three players on the floor have to take some shots and three point range is really the only place that Michigan’s complementary players are comfortable shooting.

At times this year, questions of Michigan’s effort have crossed my mind. Last night there were no such questions, Michigan gave everything they had for forty minutes. They just weren’t good enough to come away with the win. Michigan is now 10-10, and if you were to ask for a worst case scenario before the season it might not have even been this bad.

Two final things. First, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Michigan State go “big” the next time around. The Nix and Roe lineup had great success and I think they would benefit from going with bigger lineups at times. Second, I wish my article about Michigan State having the “killer instinct” wasn’t true, sadly we got a large dose of it last night.

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Player Bullets:

  • DeShawn Sims: Peedi wasn’t at his best, scoring 19 points on 7 of 18 (3-5 3pt) shooting with 5 rebounds. He couldn’t hit any of his shots near the hoop and despite hitting a couple threes, he airballed the one the corner three that could have sealed the game. Sims has played some of his best basketball over the last month, and despite it being a couple months late, it would be great to see him finish the season at this level as well.
  • Manny Harris: Harris was excellent down the stretch. He had 16 points on 5 of 13 (1-5 3pt) shooting with 5 steals, 5 assists, 4 rebounds, and 0 turnovers. My only complaints are about a couple questionable three point attempts and that I would have liked to see Harris keep the ball on the possession that resulted in an ugly Douglass jump shot. Otherwise Harris was phenomenal and he responded to Michigan State’s run in the middle of the second half with his own.
  • Stu Douglass: Stu has begun penetrating the lane but his fear of taking the ball all the way to the hole for a layup is maddening. Instead of getting fouled or making a layup, Douglass typically ends up trying to make Steve Nash-esque passes that tend to be intercepted. 1 of 5 three point shooting with 3 turnovers is simply not good enough.
  • Laval Lucas-Perry: Laval played decent defense but he BADLY missed a couple wide open looks from three point range. He is supposed to be a shooter and if he’s going to be a shooter he has to hit open shots.
  • Zack Novak: Novak had 5 of Michigan’s 6 offensive rebounds (how many of his wild tips counted as offensive boards?). The offensive rebounds were nice but like Douglass and Lucas-Perry, it’s time for Novak to start hitting some shots.
  • Darius Morris: He missed his only three point shot attempt off the side of the backboard. His length is a nice asset on defense but he is just not a threat on the offensive side of the ball.
  • Zack Gibson: Gibson had a nice shift in the first half but got dunked on in the second.
  • Anthony Wright: Wright hit a three but he was still the same old poor defender and mediocre rebounder.
  • Jim Burr: It was Burr’s 7th Michigan game this year but he finally wore down and busted his back. That 32nd year officiating will getcha.
  • Stale Bread

    I hate life

  • trublue78

    heartbraker

  • 2k10

    dream taker

  • Chris

    Man it is hard to be a Michigan fan right now.Just have to hold out hope that things are going to get better. I won’t hold my breath too long. We are still 2 years plus out from competing for any titles or competing with outr top rival in football……. Basketball???? Unless winning is important to Dave Brandon, we are likely facing another decade of mediocre hoops in AA……Oh well, maybe we can try to get the #1 seed in the NIT annually. Maybe I’ll have some better luck this year when baseball starts with the White Sox.

  • Alyzen

    Just brutal — that one hurt real bad. Despite the many shortcomings described above, I thought we deserved to win that game. And like you said, Dylan, the boys seemed like they were playing their heart out — no lack of effort in this one. Damn.

  • JimC

    Along with everything above, here’s my beef: it was just plain embarrassing that it SEEMED like the MSU fans were louder on OUR COURT a lot of times, at least in the Gold.

    Man i wish Sims would’ve hit that final shot, because that might’ve been the best chance to upset MSU for several years. Ug.

  • http://www.umhoops.com Dylan

    I didn’t think the State fans were that bad, besides the MSU run with about 12 minutes left and then the last shot. But hell, what are you supposed to do at that point?

  • Laura

    I really like how after going to the tournament for the first time in ten years last season and now everyone says Beilein will lead us to being mediocre? This doesn’t make sense. I can only assume you weren’t watching during the later Elerbe years when we had thugs on our team who couldn’t even play well. Or Amaker who recruited well but his players never developed because he couldn’t develop them. It’s our coaches third year…give him a chance. He is the right guy for the job! We have to many players who are not playing their real posistion. And our team played their hearts out last night. Yeah we still lost but I really hope that everyone continues to support them!

  • MarkES

    I have been a Beilein fan throughout, but am now off the bandwagon. I don’t believe he has what it takes at this level. Great guy, but poor results. Amaker would’ve had us in the NCAA early on, too, but for sanctions that weren’t his fault. And what has Beilein done other than just that: an early trip to the NCAAs, relying heavily on two Amaker recruits. Next year, when Sims and Harris are both gone (I think there’s no chance Manny stays), we very, very little beyond MAC talent that can’t shoot. To extend his contract a few weeks ago tells me the university cares little about hoops. I wonder why we should care at all.

  • Junderground

    I agree, Laura. I loved watching the game last night–some great D, a few good offensive plays. It was awesome seeing Jalen Rose pumping his fists after a Sims 3 with 4:11 left in the game. Hell, it was really cool just seeing him laughing with Jimmy King. I was a year behind those guys at U-M and it’s great to see them being so supportive of the team, especially after the brutality with which the university has treated the Fab 5.
    But getting back to this team, my way of supporting them since, essentially the Utah loss, is to say, this isn’t a tournament team. They lost a certain spark they had last year, and certainly lost shooting percentage, but it’s fun to watch them, even if it’s actually painful to watch them at the same time. They don’t have thugs or pampered 4-star guys who can’t get anything done. I wish they had disciplined 4-star guys who *could* get things done, and to some extent the recruiting has picked up, looking at the guys that are on their way. But I do have patience for Beilein, patience that I won’t have by ’12-13 if things haven’t picked up. If shooting percentage improves and that 1-3-1 consistently looks like it did at its best last night, upcoming teams will be extremely fun to watch, and will be tournament teams.

  • AG2

    I can understand where MarkES is coming from, because even when his teams were at their peak at WVa they were still expected to finish last in the Big East Preseason Poll. So basically everybody assumes that the only way a POT can win is if they get lucky.

    That being said, I think Beilein’s critics do themselves a HUGE disservice when they claim we should have stayed with Amaker. He lost more recruits than he landed, didn’t develop the ones he had, and his teams were useless on the road. Beilein already has more quality road wins than Amaker ever had. As much as Novak, Douglass, and Lucas-Perry have struggled to shoot, does anyone remember them having 0-11 nights like Daniel Horton, Dion Harris, and Ron Coleman had?

    Finally, ask yourself this: Who would you pick to win a game at Crisler Arena: A team coached by Beilein featuring Zack Novak, Stu Douglass, Darius Morris, Laval Lucas-Perry, and Matt Vogrich; or a team coached by Amaker featuring Jerret Smith, K’Len Morris, Dani Wohl, Ron Coleman, and Reed Baker?

  • FlintsVoice

    Lets not forget where this program was before Beilein. No tournaments. Got our butts kicked in every big game. We have been in every game this year. We need talent and size. Beilein will get the talent and when he does look out.

  • JimC

    Yeah let’s face it, despite more bad shooting, the game actually went really well last night except for the final 0.9 sec. Did anyone really think we’d be beating MSU most of the night? I half expected another double digit loss like last year.

  • Tweeter

    MarkES/Chris, feel free to stop watching and cheering any time you like. You will not be missed.

    The thing that bothers me about Darius Morris right now, is that he has not shown much of a driving ability. I can understand that he is not a shooter, but with his size, ball handling ability and decent athleticism, he needs to be able to drive and get some shots off.

    The defense was great last night for the most part, but there were also several breakdowns. At least once in the first half and once in the second half, we missed switches and left a State player standing alone at the basket, both resulted in layups. A couple other times we were late on switches with guys rolling to the basket (twice with LLP), one resulted in an and-1 and the other in a two shot foul. Those plays really erked me. If your gonna make a mistake on a switch at least give up an open jumper, but dont leave guys at the basket.

  • MarkES

    AG2 (and FlintsVoice), I agree that we should not have stayed with Amaker. That’s not my point. I just think that Beilein will produce teams that are little-to-no better than Amaker. In sum: why be content with a team that’ll consistenly finish in the mid-to-bottom portion of the Big Ten? Should we be content with that? In my opinion, no, we should not. Look, I don’t expect top name coaches to come to UM given our recent history. But I’ve got to believe we can get the hoops equivalent of a Bo from the mid-majors. In my humble (and I truly hope incorrect) opinion, Beilein’s just not that guy.

    From losing Orr in 1980 to Iowa State (Iowa State!!) due to salary through today, the U just doesn’t seem to care about hoops. Tough to swallow at any time; particularly tough when MSU has Izzo.

  • Laura

    Agreed Tweeter no one is forcing anyone to watch this team. If you are willing to get off the bandwagon after this season than be my guest. There is reason that Beilein is the coach and we are all just posting on this blog. And as far as Manny being gone for sure I don’t think that is 100% accurate. He could leave but he would do himself much better by staying another year and getting better. I am not saying people on here don’t know what they are talking about because I actually really like the comments. But we need to trust our coach!

  • intrpdtrvlr

    I know the rationale was “Sims will eat them alive offensively” (as KJ put it) but I questioned throughout the game the banishment of Nix and Sherman to the bench. I kept wondering if that size and particularly power from Nix could lead to some MSU-positive match-ups. Nix was only in for a flash but he had a nice defensive play on Sims.

    We’ll see. Perhaps the less hostile environment of the Breslin will give Izzo confidence to play them more.

  • MarkES

    Laura and Tweeter, I try not to make my comments personal, fyi. I’m just very, very, very disappointed. As for why I’m here and Beilein’s coaching (Laura’s comment), it’s because he’s a better coach than I am. I don’t believe I’ve claimed I’d do better: I wouldn’t. My point, which I appear not to be making well, is that the U could do better than Beilein. I like the guy, I just don’t think he can consistently get us into the top 4 or so of the Big Ten, and I think that’a a reasonable goal for a school like Michigan. And I think Izzo proves it can be done cleanly. Does anyone disagree?

    As for Tweeter’s comment that I won’t be missed, please know that I like to hear dissenting voices as it sharpens my argument and I do hope you keep posting as you would be missed.

  • Tweeter

    lol, nice MarkES. I am not the biggest Beilein guy, and I dont think he will get UM to the elite of college basketball. But I also dont think there is another coach out there that UM can get that would do it either in the same time frame. I believe that Beilein will retire when his contract is up, or around that time, and that the next coach will have a great chance to build a power at UM based off of what Beilein did.

    This program is just so far behind other programs in so many ways that it is going to take time. Once the facilities are in place and this team is winning consistently, the recruiting will pick up, and high level big ten competition will ensue. But the process has just begun and its not going to happen overnight.

  • Jazzy

    I agree with MarkES, I was at the game last night, and I can see the difference in talent on MSU as compared to Michigan. When we lose Sims and Harris, next year we will be lucky to score 40 points a game. And with this year’s struggles, I just don’t see Trey Zeigler committing to Michigan. Beilein predicates his offense on 3 point shooters, yet the guys he has recruited are not getting the job done. I watched Stu pass up at least 4 good open looks because he was afraid to pull the trigger, yes that would be fine if he had a mid range jumper or could drive to the basket, but he can’t. The guys off the bench were brutal. I’m as big of a fan as anyone, but with the money being dumped in to renovate Crisler arena, the new practice facility, if something doesn’t change I just don’t see Dave Brandon sticking with Beilein. It was MSU, and the stadium was sold out, can you imagine next year, when we have about 4 wins going into this game, there might be 6,000 fans in the stadium, I don’t see Brandon putting up with mediocore Basketball teams, especially with first class facilities being built. I hope Beilein gets it done but I just don’t see it.

  • MarkES

    Tweeter, that’s a well-reasoned argument. I do disagree on timing, but understand your point. I disagree on timing because I think a hoops team can be rehabilitated much more quickly than a football team. When Beilein was hired, with the stench of sanctions passed for several years (an eternity for possible recruits), I think we could have reasonably hoped for a top 4 BigTen finish within 3 to 5 years, and to begin to stay consistently in the top 6 or so of the BigTen. (I’m not sure if that qualifies as the “elite of collect basktetball”, but it’s something I’d be very happy with for now.) I just don’t see that happening with Beilein. And so I think we could do better.

  • AceDuece

    Frankly, I find it hard to believe that anyone at this point would start questioning the work that John Beilein has done for this program. I promised myself a long time ago to stop reading message boards, because of how impatient and weak some Michigan fans are. These kids gave everything they had for our coach last night, and they’ve been doing it the whole year (besides Manny). When we were down by 20 and getting kicked in the teeth by Purdue, in West Lafayette, they still played hard. This is the first time I’ve seen such dedication to a head coach in Michigan basketball. Last night was terrible, but anyone who uses that to justify Beilein getting canned is extremely misguided.

  • MarkES

    AceDuece, count me as “extremely misguided”. FYI, I won’t call you “weak”.

    Switching over to non-personal attacks, I do hope I’m wrong and you’re right (about Beilein, not my being weak). Beilein’s offense is premised on the 3 ball. His people can’t make the 3 ball. I don’t know how that leads to any reasonable success. Hopefully they start making their shots, etc., etc. but I’m (obviously) not confident.

    As for hussle: That was great last night. I agree. Beilein’s teams do work hard, and that’s a nice change from prior administrations. I simply wish we could have better talent that worked hard. Talent + hard work that could get us in the top half of the conference, but I just don’t see it.

  • Tweeter

    I dont think our beliefs are that far off MarkES. I dont think top 4 in BT and consistently in top 6 is elite, unless that is coupled with consistently making the sweet sixteen, and a few final fours. As it is, it just sounds like you dont think Beilein can get them to where a team like Wisky or Purdue is right now. Consistently good in the BT but still a step away from elite.

    I agree that it can happen faster in basketball simply because one great recruit can turn around a team for a year or two, and a few great recruits can do it for awhile. However, I just dont see UM getting those types of players year in and year out right now regardless of coach. Obviously Beilein has to do better at recruiting than he did his first year, but I think he is trending that way. The second class was decent assuming that Morgan and McLimans develope into something. The third class looks like it could be even better.

    I also think that this years team is a lot closer to being a top tier BT team than they are a bottom BT team. Some of the early losses were disappointing b/c the team played listless, but since then the team has been playing well. The way people look at Beilein is completely different if this team just finds a way to hold a late lead in half of the games they had a chance to do it in. Now some will say wins are all that matters, and I agree to a certain extent, however, I think the way the team has played shows that there is reason to believe that he has this program showing promise.

  • AG2

    It would have been nice to go the Alabama/Kentucky route and just drop a boatload of cash on a big time coach at another major program, but in light of how badly Bill Martin botched the football hiring, do you really trust him to pull that off? Michigan was not going to give $3 million a year to John Calipari, and moreover I don’t think he would have taken it. He was already recruiting Detroit better at Memphis than he could have at Michigan, and he had an NBA arena there. He only took the Kentucky job because its Kentucky, even Izzo briefly entertained the idea of taking that one!

    Let’s remember what was going on during the last hiring campaign: most of the coaches we targeted declined interviews. Even Kevin Stallings at mediocre Vanderbilt didn’t want to be interviewed.

  • UMInday

    Yeah, MSU is just soooooo much more talented than us. And for proof of that just look at the scoreboard! One point win! BAM! Talent!

  • AceDuece

    Fair enough. My apologies for the “weak” comment. Although I do believe you are a fair-weather fan. Were you having concerns about how reliant we were on the three last year when we beat Duke or UCLA? No, you weren’t. You were praising Beilein when we marched past Clemson, and now you want him gone. The development from every player is evident, and our whole team believes in the system. It’s complicated, and thats why Morris has had so much trouble with it. I have no idea how our upcoming year will pan out. We might be as bad as you say, but to say that Beilein is the problem, and specifically pointing to his 3-point system? I just think thats crazy. You can criticize the man for his sub-par recruiting talents but come on man, your only saying this because we lost last night. To the #5 team in the nation. By one point.

  • Mat

    “In the end, like we have seen time and again this year, Michigan came up one basket short.”

    Time and again? Like….the Alabama game, I guess?

  • MarkES

    Actually, Ace, I have no doubt that last night colors my thoughts right now. But I can pinpoint precisely when I started to fall of the wagon: the NW loss this year. Up by 17 at home, lose the game. The first part of the season was disappointing, but that was huge. And nothing has changed my mind since then.

    As for last year, you are 100% correct: I was squarely on the Beilein bandwagon then. I merely believe I was wrong then, and not now. Obviously, I hope the reverse is true. Only time will tell, and we’ve clearly decided to give Beilein the time. I truly hope I’m wrong, not only because I want the team to do well, but because I do like Beilein as a person — we dine out regularly, of course (!!)– and as a mentor for the players.

  • Jeremy

    I’m not quite sure what happened this year. Why can’t the role player shoot? I bet the reason Beileign recruited Douglass, Novak and LLP was because they could shoot. What happened? Why can’t they make a shot?

    I disagree that Belien has not done a good job. What can he do? They can’t make 3-point shots and as Dylan duly noted, these role players have nothing to add inside the arc. So the only thing Beilein can do is rely on Sims and Harris to score. Relying on 2 players every night is going to be tough.

    Why can’t these kids make open 3′s?????

  • Tx

    I think Beilein is a solid person, just not a elite level coach. His system works against mid-level talent and is predicated on shooters. That’s fine, but when the shots aren’t falling a elite level coach adjust to his talent and tells him team to stop taking the shots they can’t make. And why Zach and Stu can make a pull-up jumper or layup is beyond me. Yeah Novak hustles and works hard, but people aren’t worried about him on offense which allows them to focus on Manny and Peedi.

  • http://www.umhoops.com Dylan

    OK Mat. Let’s put it this way. When Michigan has been in a close game down the stretch, they haven’t made the big plays and their opponents have. Maybe it wasn’t the last basket but Alabama, Northwestern, at Indiana, Wisconsin, hell even Creighton they couldn’t get a stop at the end of regulation.

    For whatever reason this team can’t make the plays when the game is on the line.

  • http://wolverineliberationarmy.com chitownblue

    I realize I keep beating this horse, but the 4 Amaker recruiting classes leading into Beilein’s first year yielded the following:

    Ronald Coleman
    K’len Morris
    Reed Baker
    Jarrett Smith
    Kendric Price
    Jevohn Shepard
    Anthony Wright
    DeShawn Sims
    Manny Harris
    Kelvin Grady
    Ekpe Udoh

    We’ll toss Beilein’s first class of Douglass, Novak, and Cronin on top of that, as Beilein had roughly 1 month to sign players (he was signed in April, National Signing day was May – those three were the best he could do – guys Michigan wouldn’t ordinarily have taken).

    How many of those players belong starting for an upper-division Big 10 team? I see 3 – Harris, Sims, Udoh. The rest vanished into the land of D-IAA or the depths of our own bench. The cupboard was, literally, bare – Beilein inherited 3 legitimate players, and one of those transfered when his AAU coach was hired by Baylor.

    This year’s freshmen are Beilein’s first true recruiting class, and he snagged one top-100 player, and one top-150 player, in addition to some size, which we badly need. They’re not lighting the world on fire, but many don’t as freshmen. Next year will have at least 1 more top 100 player (Smotrycz) and another top 150 player (Hardaway) with the potential for a 2nd top-100 player (Ziegler) and more size (Horford). We have a top-100 player signed already for the following class (Brundidge).

    We can all admit that Novak and Douglass don’t have the athleticism to play for a quality Big 10 team, but the complete dearth of any depth, at all, borne by four horrendous years of Amaker recruiting makes their playing time neccesary. Were getting more talent into the program – but you can’t undo 4 crappy Amaker classes and a 5th last-minute Beilein class with this year’s freshmen – it just can’t happen

  • Jeff

    I can honestly understand why people are freaked out about the direction of the program. I think some people think next years team will be exactly the same as this years minus Harris and Sims. That won’t be the case, but assuming Harris leaves and Zeigler doesn’t come it will be a tough year. It’s hard to maintain faith and realize that UofMs 3rd and 4th best players are 2-star sophomores playing out of position. I think some are assuming that Morris, and especially Vogrich, are going to be busts. I try to remember that Beilein’s system is tough to master and some players really struggle their first year but improve after that. Some people think his recruiting won’t improve. I try to remember that Smotrycz and Brundidge are rated higher than Morris and Vogrich and he has yet to complete his 2nd full-year recruiting class. Am I 100% sure Beilein will be a success at UofM? No. Do I see reasons to hope that things will get better? Absolutely. If nothing else, he did help us end our longest tournament drought since the early 60s.

  • maxwell’s demon

    I don’t see how anyone can watch lasts night’s game and feel anything other than positivity towards Beilein’s future. Beilein was left with two very good players from Amaker and absolutely NOTHING else. He then had to pull together his first recruiting class in absolutely no time at all and these 2 star recruits are actually starting! That shows how little Amaker left us with.

    So then you look at last night’s game and despite a huge talent discrepancy, we managed 4 turnovers, 9 steals, and ample opportunities to win this game. If we just had one guy other than Sims or Manny that could score, we would have won this game. So then naturally say this is Beilein’s fault. But he just flat out has not had the time to bring in the talent he wants yet. People can say other schools do it, and it should be easier than football, and I agree with this. But I still think you have to give him til the 2011-2012 season to really evaluate what talent he can bring in. Lastly, you can’t look at his 3 recruiting classes and tell me there isn’t a positive trend.

    We have no idea what our team will be capable of next year (just like the past two years) so don’t try and guess.

  • Jeremy

    maxwell – I can absolutely agree with you on everything except one thing…who is going to score next year? The role players this year have proven that they cannot do it. So unless Haradway is going to take over games for us, Michigan is going to average 40 ppg.

    The future is not as rosy without someone that puts the ball in the basket.

  • http://umhoops.com Mattski

    Really great analysis, top to bottom, Dylan. I think we were jobbed in kinda conspicuous fashion right at the end, but hey. And I don’t really get the whole line of reasoning you see here and everywhere that (somehow) because the other team is better or more savvy or whatever they. . . deserve no calls? How does this follow? What am I missing there?

    And (slightly OT), there’s discussion at mgoblog about Jalen’s appearance at the game, his assertion that he would only wear maize and blue when the entire Fab V gets to attend. (A little bit silly?)

    The thread tends to revolve around whether Chris Webber should ever be allowed back in Crisler (my view: I always loved the guy, and don’t really buy the ‘he was rich, the other guys had good reason’ line).

    But someone also posted a highlight video of the Fab V, and I gotta ask: Does anyone here think this ’10 team could play with those guys? My god, they were awesome. (Okay, it’s a highlight real, but the athleticism, court awareness, playmaking abilities of at least 4 of the 5 starters. . .) It’s here:

    http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/jalens-fab-five-comment-first-take-today

  • maxwell’s demon

    Jeremy – That’s valid. And that may really kill us, so maybe we won’t be good next year. But maybe the chemistry our team lacks this year will develop next, and we’ll actually take advantage of some depth getting more people involved in the scoring. Maybe Evan or Tim will be a beast. Maybe Morgan will turn out pretty decent. There’s a lot of variables and it’s just not easy to say our team will be worse next year because we lose Manny and Sims.

  • Mat

    I don’t think many people are criticizing the job Beilein has done to date on the floor. Last year was a major achievement and while this year is disappointing, the team appears to be improving the defensive intensity (LLP and Morris especially) and most of the close losses can be blamed on bad shooting…

    I think the concern for most people comes in recruiting. The Douglass/Novak recruiting class is understandable. But last year’s class doesn’t look promising outside of Morris. The concern is that Beilein hasn’t landed ANY big time athletes yet. Maybe he will, but until then, people are going to watching Cronin, Vogrich, etc and have a hard time visualizing success once Manny and DeShawn are gone.

    Maybe Beilein lands Horford and Zeigler and that starts to change, but until people see athletes who can match up with the elite, instead of watching Novak get rebounded over and Douglass repeatedly beat of the dribble; people are going to worry about the program’s direction.

  • Deacon Blues

    I agree that Beilein shows more promise than Amaker, but people often overstate how bad the previous regime was.

    Someone wrote in this thread that Beilein already has more quality road wins than Amaker. Beilein’s true road wins so far: Northwestern (221 RPI), Iowa (189), Indiana (212), Northwestern (80), Minnesota (47), Penn State (223).

    That’s two top-100 opponents. U-M won two top-100 road games in the ’05-06 season alone (Notre Dame and Minnesota).

  • DaveR

    I agree with the last poster. Beilein’s a great coach but has been an average or even subpar recruiter so far. Great coaching only takes you so far. Michigan was just outtalented last night. Beilein outcoached Izzo – Michigan won the turnover battle 18-4!! But MSU still won due to more talent with a 41-25 rebounding edge and a much higher shooting percentage with a big advantage inside. MSU is loaded with talented top 50 and top 100 players and loses less than Michigan this year. They’re pulling in 2 more top 50 and 2 more top 150 players this coming year. Even if Michigan signs Zeigler, they won’t match that. With Sims and Harris gone and without Zeigler, Michigan’s starting five will be less talented than MSU’s BENCH. They need to land Zeigler to stay competitive but need to do even better if they hope to be a top tier Big Ten team.

  • Ray-Ray

    I second everything that chitownblue stated; that was well presented.

    The fact that Jarrett Smith had a scholarship should be enough to warrant some extra patience for Beilein. Would anybody trade Novak or Douglass for Jarret Smith or Reed Baker? Right.

    With the inches Michigan gives up at almost every position it is remarkable that they were even able to beat UConn and nearly beat State. This is a testament to Beilein’s ability to coach. The recruiting class this year is evidence enough that he will be just fine from a recruiting standpoint.

    Anybody that thinks Beilein should be shown the door or on the “hot seat” because of this season does not understand much about basketball.

  • EchoWhiskey

    Switching gears on the comments:

    Where have the backdoor cuts gone? Beilein teams have consistently used the backdoor to negate strong closeouts on the three ball. I know we are shooting poorly from three, but good defenses still close out on those shots just the same.

    I think I can count the backdoor cuts on one hand in Big Ten play. Manny coming over the top of a high screen and crashing down the lane always looks open from my vantage, but it never gets delivered. When Beilein coached at WVU, his teams made passes on cuts that I was always sure would get deflected but always made it through. Our players don’t seem willing or able to make those passes. THoughts on this?

  • http://www.umhoops.com Dylan

    EcoWhiskey: I’ve been thinking the same thing. A lot of it is that we aren’t the best passers but I also think teams are jamming the lane, daring us to shoot. If you start hitting a lot of shots (which his WVU teams did) it opens up the backdoor.

    Also MSU is notorious for clutching, grabbing, and making it just flat out difficult to cut efficiently. It’s how they play defense.

  • JimC

    Clutching, grabbing, and packing the lane too. I sat there thinking last night, does State EVER get called for a 3-second violation? They way they play, they could get one every time down the court.

  • http://www.umhoops.com Dylan

    There was one play in the first half where it could have been 5 seconds in the lane IIRC.

  • ToBlav

    Chitownblue’s item above should be a frame of reference for every thing said about Coach Beilein. I don’t buy that he won’t take us to championship levels. They looked competitive last night and . . . well Chitownblue’s post above should be the reference point as I said before. Novak and Douglas have my appreciation, not that they are all-league, but for effort and caring. They did what they could and it helped keep the game winnable.

  • Ray-Ray

    Delvon Roe set several moving picks in the first half near the top of the key. One, in particular, should have drawn a whistle.

    It also seemed that Novak was constantly getting contacted from behind as he went for rebounds without getting many calls despite having better position for the rebound.

  • Sobczyk

    UMInday, uhh, yeah, MSU has FAR more talent than Michigan. It’s not even close. Outside of Sims and Harris, there’s not a single player on Beilein’s squad that would see significant playing time for Izzo.

    Even if you consider that they run different systems, the fact of the matter is that Michigan is bad at running its own offense. AceDuece, there weren’t questions about an offense predicated on 3s last year because THEY HIT THE SHOTS. That’s why they beat Duke and UCLA. Michigan is the worst 3-point shooting team in the B10, yet runs an offense based on making the shot. And you want to question MarkES’s skepticism why again? Look, I think Beilein’s a very solid coach. And his system can work. But the players have to hit their outside shots … ESPECIALLY the ones like Douglass and Novak who have little else to contribute.

    If you don’t like that assessment, there’s nothing I can do about it. I’m just calling it like I see it.

  • maxwell’s demon

    You are half right Sobczyk. We don’t have the shooters we need to make this offense dangerous. But you can’t tell me we are bad at running the offense. Being bad at running an offense = stagnation, turnovers, bad shots (aka Amaker ball). Maybe we weren’t getting lay ups all night, but nobody does vs. MSU. We were being patient, moving the ball, not turning it over, and getting a lot of good looks. We just don’t have the talent to make the shots. Nobody would question our offense if Stu was Diebler.

  • http://umhoops.com Juice

    Michigan shot 28% from the floor and only lost by 1 point.That goes to show you how bad MSU played and we still could not beat them!Michigan’s season is not over because we lost to Sparty,its over because of our poor non conference performance.Next year is going to be interesting without Manny and Simms.

  • FlintsVoice

    Why does everyone think Manny is gone? He is second round at best.
    Also has anyone seen that scout.com has Michigan as Marshall Plumlee’s(2011 recruit) top choice.

  • grammarian

    Dylan, great blog! Just one nitpick: when you have two separate thoughts in one sentence, you have to separate them with a semicolon (;) instead of just a comma. For instance, in the sentence that begins “Thanks mostly to the turnovers,” there should be a semicolon after “possession.”

  • http://wolverineliberationarmy.com chitownblue

    Sobczyk, what is Beilein supposed to do other than bomb three-pointers? Look at the active roster:

    Sims
    Harris
    Morris
    Novak
    Douglass
    Perry
    Gibson
    Wright
    Vogrich
    Walkons

    How many big scary post-players do you see there? Sims. Who got 18 shots. We pounded it low with him as much as possible. You want them to play Gibson 35 minutes and pound it low to him as well? We’re a team that starts 4 guards and a small forward, and our roster doesn’t really give us many options other than continuing to do so. So what offensive gameplan do you suggest given that fact?

  • http://www.umhoops.com Dylan

    Haha. Thanks grammarian. Maybe I shouldn’t write post-games at 3 in the morning anymore either.

  • Mat

    Oatmeal just posted a good rundown of semi-colons for those of us who forgot what we learned in 8th or 9th grade.

    Manny Harris is now listed in the 2nd Round of the 2011 mock draft at nbadraft.net. Guess they think he’s coming back…

  • Beast1530

    Let’s compare last year to this year.

    2009: http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Michigan&y=2009

    2010: http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Michigan

    Sure, at first glance without looking up stats, we’re worse than last year. But when you look closer, in terms of overall ranking, there’s not much difference between the two teams.

    Last year, the offense were much better, more efficient. When you look at offensive stats as whole, surprisingly both are not that much different from each other. They took care off the ball, doesn’t shoot the ball well, and doesn’t rebound well.

    Defensively, our defense were much better than last year. We forced more turnovers than last year. We defend against the threes well(which is an improvement from earlier this season where we were terrible in that regard), we still struggle to defend the twos.

    My conclusion, last year, we were a bit overrated but we’re still a solid team who had 3-4 key wins. This year, sure it has been a disappointment but we’re not that much different than last year. We have two key wins but a whole lot more losses at the same stage. Last year, we were a bubble team who made it into the NCAA due to the strength of Duke, UCLA and Purdue wins.

  • bird

    A part of me is still holding out hope of a really strong finish — maybe even 8-2 — and a run in the BTT. That’s definitely well within the confines of “stranger things have happened.” I think we’re actually getting better. That was some intense D for good stretches last night. I was devastated at the end, but it was a helluva game. Sparty’s got loads of talent, and ol’ “Double Bagger” Izzo surely can coach. Hope the kids aren’t too down about it.

    Of course the bigger, more pragmatic part of me is looking to next season. Dylan (or someone), when you have a chance, what do the numbers say about three-point shooting improvement from sophomore to junior years?

  • JB

    interesting thoughts bird.

    of our remaining games, i think it’s possible to win 8 although it would require a level of consistency that we’ve lacked all season. we’re going to have more days between these upcoming games. we’re showing a lot of improvement and haven’t had a chance to play with momentum all season. i’m not giving up, but realistically i don’t see it happening. who knows though.

    dylan – would it be possible to block any posts with the words “ekpe” or “udoh?” i can’t stand thinking about it any more.

    last, all of this anti-beilein talk it shameful. we almost beat one of the most talented teams in the country who play for a great coach. beilein can flat out coach.

  • SubAlum06

    Agree bird, the “D” seemed much better last night. The threes and back cuts in Beilein’s system are akin to the West Coast offense in football. Making the threes opens up the backcuts and inside plays as the pass in the West Coast opens up the run.

  • BrianW

    I see the cause of the short shots at the end last night as tired legs. UM’s bench doesn’t contribute much this year and doesn’t provide the starters with much rest. Douglass and Novak were shooting short at the end of last night, which I think goes back to tired legs. I’m cutting them a little slack since they put in the maximum effort all of the time. LLP doesn’t have that problem since his shooting is typically off unless it’s a road game it seems. If UM was getting the equivalent of the 2008-09 bench contribution this year, things would be much better this year.

    Last night was disappointing, but the season’s not over yet. I’d like to go to another selection show Sunday party at Crisler. It may slim chances, but I’m not giving up hope yet. I’d hope Manny and the Crew have that attitude also.

    I think Beilein has done a great job since he’s been here. The players make progress and get better as the year goes on. Merritt and Lee were bad the first year, but improved to the point where they were making some valuable contributions in Beilein’s second year. Deshawn has gone from a not-so-confident shooter early in his career to being one of the best shooters on the team. Beilein doesn’t get all of the credit since it’s up to the players to improve, but it’s pretty obvious that the coaching helps when you compare what Amaker did developing talent compared to JB’s coaching.

    I’m looking forward to seeing what Smotrycz and Hardaway will contribute next year. Hopefully, Zeigler and Horford will pick UM in the coming months.

  • pgrom

    we should have stayed with Amaker. Bill Martin made a mistake there IMO.

  • AG2

    I’m really starting to think all these Amaker fans are Sparties. There is literally no reason why any sane Michigan fan would want Amaker back. I mean at least wish you had a coach better than both, but to constantly agitate for a clearly inferior coach is just outrageous.

  • Alex

    Go Blue! Get a decent seed for the BTT and who knows what can happen. All I ask is that you don’t give up despite many of your fans feeling a little blue.

  • pgrom

    I don’t think Amaker is an inferior coach right now. He is doing great at Harvard and has that program set up to make annual runs at the tournament. I think Amaker, if not for horrible luck, would still be the coach here and we’d be in a better position than we are now. I think Amaker is the kind of coach Michigan actually needs. Of course you can’t bring him back now and that’s not what I’m saying. Just think we made a mistake dumping him.

    I’m not a Spartie. I’m a UM alum and long-time season ticket-holder. I like Beilein. He’s a great guy and a good coach, just not sure he’s the right guy for us at this time. I’m rooting like hell for him to succeed and I’ll be there Saturday yelling. I’m just giving my honest opinion on where I see the program right now.

  • Tweeter

    pgrom, what in the world gives you the idea that Amaker has Harvard set up for annual runs to the NCAA?

  • Brad

    changing the topic…is it purely reputation that MSU is allowed to hold every posession? i know everyone calls them a “tough-nosed” team, but the reality is its simply bad, handsy defense…are officials afraid of Izzo?

  • Tweeter

    i think its a combo of things Brad. Part of it is reputation. Part of it is that it’s the BT and teams are allowed to foul a lot more. Part of it is that Izzo wines to the officials every chance he gets.

    Reminds me a lot of Duke. They used to get so many ridiculous charge calls just because they became known as a team that took a lot of them. Coach K has a great reputation and generally looks calm, but if you watch him at timeouts, he flips out at the refs. Uses his little snarl to scare them into making calls.

    Izzo is getting very similar. I watched him during each timeout last night, and without fail the first thing he did was find the official and complain about some call. One timeout he barely even maed it into the huddle as he complained about a five second call that was not made. At first the ref looked like he wanted no part of it, then by the end of the Izzo rant, he looked like he said, “I know. I missed it.”

    There is nothing you can do about it. Basketball is incredibly difficult to officiate, and all you can hope for is that it evens out in the end. Last night I thought it was pretty evenly bad (obvi excluding the no-call at the end).

  • http://umhoops.com Wayman Britt

    You posters who think Amaker is better than Beilein or that we would be better off with Amaker are either on something or have very short memories.

    TA was not a great recruiter. He was an okay recruiter, but lousy in game mgt, player development, strategy, team chemistry. Just go back and look at the statistics or worst yet watch his teams.

  • Tweeter

    I just like how they make statements, but provide absolutely no support for their statements. Then when questioned they shrink away into their little holes. I think its pretty clear by now that they are not UM fans and are rather just trolling around.

    It might be time for some sort of registration system or point system a la mgoblog.

  • Giddings

    Did anyone see Kelvin at the game last night? I looked for him but couldn’t find him.

  • Tweeter

    ahh, forgot to look to see if he was on the bench. However, Stuckey and Jerebko sat in front of me. They seemed real interested in the game . . .

  • Kevin

    Giddings, I looked and didn’t see him as well. Kind of cool that Stuckey and Jerebko came, supporting basketball in Michigan.

    In regards to coaching, I have a certain trust in Beilein that I haven’t had with any coach in a while it seems. I sure as hell don’t trust RichRod with all the crap that’s going on in the football program and then with the losing. Amaker just never really gave me the feeling anything great was going to come.

    With Beilein it’s different. He’s a confident coach (benching his star), had success everywhere he’s gone, had some success here, and doing it the right way. I’ll deal with the bruises we pick up along the way because I feel like, in the end, it’ll be worth it.

    Go Blue!

  • http://umhoops.com Mattski

    In truth we should probably all be saying that last night was a valiant effort. Who here really expected a win?

    I agree with Maxwell’s Demon that the offense worked the ball well last night; M never came to a standstill, as at other times this year (and last). They weren’t hitting their shots in part because MSU’s D is smothering, and super-physical–to a pt where the refs could charge them w. a foul most times down the floor.

    But–disagreeing with Maxwell’s now–when the shooting slumped early on this season many players said they were mystified; they claimed everyone was hitting them in practice. And unless I’m high it seems to me that Novak, Douglass, and LP all made more of their threes last year. What’s up w. that? Several things: Douglass plays out of position, Novak is tasked w. the toughest job on defense, and–while Morris shows promise–he looks terrified every time the camera’s on him. Combine the exhaustion that comes with a six-man rotation w. an offense in which almost no one is doing what they’re truly suited for. . .

  • AG2

    Amaker, regular runs to the tournament? Seriously? What a joke. Harvard WILL get swept by Cornell this season. And heaven help him when Jeremy Lin graduates.

  • Erik

    Backdoor cuts won’t be there until the 3 point shooting improves. It’s kind of like using the run to set up the playaction in football. Without manny we’ll see a traditional beilein offense. Manny is actually forcing beilein modify his offense.

  • Tweeter

    Mattski, I agree with you on the shooting. I think the short rotation along with the bigger responsibilities that are on thse guys (Douglass with the pg duties and Novak with increased leadership duties) have taken a tole on the shooting. I also think, and I know I mentioned this before, that the offseason changes in their bodies threw off some of the mechanics. Novak shoots the ball differently form wise, almost on every shot.

    Until these guys settle down and get used to whatever role they are going to have, I think they will continue to be inconsistent.

    Dylan – I know someone brought this up earlier as well, but is there a possibility of getting a numbering system on the comments? With so many posters becoming regular multiple commentators in the same thread, it gets difficult to know which comment people are referring to. Not a big deal, but maybe an offseason upgrade to think about.

  • michigan hoops 4eva

    You can say what you want about Michigan basketball, but they came to play last night. They hustled, Zack Novak got offensive rebounds, they forced a ton of turnovers…but they just couldn’t make 3′s or get it done with the game on the line. Tough, but I’d still like to see the intensity high for the rest of the year.

  • http://www.umhoops.com Dylan

    I think the toughest part of last night’s loss is that over the toughest 4 game stretch of our schedule we played arguably three of our best games and came away with only one win. If a couple plays go a different way, we easily could have won 3 out of 4.

  • michigan hoops 4eva

    And yeah, anyone that says that Tommy Amaker was better than John Beilein is a joke. John Beilein got a team with 0 starters over 6’8, a walk on starting at point guard, and 2 unheralded freshmen starting into the NCAA tourney, AND to the second round.

    Tommy Amaker had talent after talent and blew it all away with poor coaching.

  • Alex

    If Michigan hustles as Michigan hoops 4eva has suggested they can go above .500 on the season in the Big Ten. At this point that probably does not merrit an at-large bid. However, If Michigan get a first day buy in the BTT they may make a few heads turn.

  • ToBlav

    I am glad Tommy Amaker is doing well now, he is a good person and likeable. His last recruiting classes were weak and we have no depth now as a result of that. He said himself the NCAA in his sixth year was a fair expectation. If John Beilein goes six years without another NCAA tournement it will be time for him to retire. Until then Michigan fans should have his back.

  • maxwell’s demon

    KAD and mark dueling for worst posts of the day.

  • Jeff

    Yeah, ranting for the sake of ranting doesn’t accomplish much, especially when said rant contains some inaccuracies. We rarely get outcoached. We do get out-talented a lot. 18 turnovers to 4, now who was outcoached?

  • Drew

    KAD and mark especially, do either of you have a brain? Have you typed on a computer before? There’s this thing called a space bar, and you push it with your thumb after you use this period thing. My god, I mean sometimes I get lazy on grammar, but nothing like that.

    And not to mention, your basketball insight is a joke. Go back to mlive please.

  • Jeff

    Theoretical question: Can someone claim to be a fan of the team if they can’t spell the name of the team’s best player? Sorry, but Simms is a huge pet peeve of mine.

  • fresh

    first off the kids last name is lucas perry not perry for those of you that dont know anything about this basketball team…….in 2 or 3 years from now and michigan still struggles then ill write beilein off, let the man get at least 2 big men on the floor at the same time and get his system in full swing and have a year or 2 of mostly juniors and seniors playing with experience and then we will judge him ………how many open 3 pointers did michigan miss this past game……..he wasnt out coached, players just need to make their shots……..being that michigan was out shot by almost 20% and still almost won i would say that beilein did a great job of coaching………the man is pulling in better talent than he has ever had and he still has not had a true center or 4 play for him yet………..and its sims not simms

    thank you that is it

  • Tweeter

    So hard to know what Manny is thinking about the pros Juice. Personally, I dont think he should go this year unless he really turns it on over the next month and gets good reviews in the predraft stuff. I just dont see him being a first round pick this year. On the other hand, it would be interesting to see him on a team that had a lot more talent around him. For instance if he was on State playing with Lucas, Morgan, etc. around him, how good would he be looking. I think his stats would be lower, but he would probably be getting a ton of easy looks just b/c teams cant load up against him.

    I also dont think he is the BT player of the year. For one, he is playing on a mid pack team. But also, I dont think he has even been the best player on his own team. Sims has been a star as of late and teams seem to be having a much tougher time defending him than they are Manny.

  • ToBlav

    Sorry, this is a space holder so I’ll know where I’ve read to and don’t have to reread a bunch of post. I’d rather not read Mark and Kad again. Go Blue.

  • Alex

    From here each game is key. If we were to go 9 out 10 we may have a chance. This means we win all five home games, at Iowa, at Northwestern, at Minnesota, and either at OSU or at MSU. This would still be a long shot.

  • http://umhoops.com Mattski

    LOL ToBlav!

  • YpsiTuckyBoy

    If Beilein could land Zeigler in the 2010 class and snag Plumlee to pair with Brundidge in 2011, everyone on this board would have to shut up about Beilein. Please, Marshall, if you’re reading this: MICHIGAN WANTS YOU!

  • Jeff

    Manny’s going to have a real tough decision in the offseason. Unfortunately, he’s struggled a little in B10 play thus far (compared to how he played in the non-conference portion of the schedule), and unless he really wows people in the pre-draft camps or really heats up for the rest of this season, it doesn’t look like he’s going to go in the first round. However, I could easily imagine that he’d be nervous about coming back–with Sims gone he may fear that teams will focus everything on him and make it even tougher for him. Not to mention the fact that he and Sims seem to be very tight. It’s very tough to guess what’s going through a kid’s mind, but if someone held a gun to my head, I’d say he’s leaving after this year. The one hope I’m holding on to is that one of the reason’s he gave for staying with Michigan after Amaker got fired is that he wanted to help return UofM to its former success. He did certainly help us get back to the tournament.

  • maxwell’s demon

    I’m with Tweeter on Manny’s B10 player of the year chances. I’d go Evan Turner hands down (even with injury) and at this point would vote Sims ahead of Manny. I really hope Sims gets a decent shot at the NBA because I think he could be a pretty decent 4 man. His baseline jumper and turnarounds are indefensible. And despite not playing super physical down low, he has a knack for getting to the basket. Not sure about his defense, might help if he wasn’t guarding centers though. I do think his hands could use a little bit of work, seemed like he botched at least a couple nice entry passes on Tuesday.

  • JJ

    Check ouy this video it has 2 of the worst calls in the Michigan/MSU game.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j52f18YuHs

  • maxwell’s demon

    Watching this Wisconsin Purdue game is depressing. Why the hell did we have to suck this year?

  • JimC

    All the semi-intentional fouls by MSU, the clutching, mugging (e.g. the 4 pics Dylan has near the bottom of the post) are egregious. But did anyone notice Manny’s kick to the head of the MSU player late in the game? I only saw it once or twice slo-mo, but it looked like Manny really did kick him in the head! I still think MSU is a half-rugby half-basketball kind of team, but i’m just sayin’

  • Giddings

    Manny kicks his leg up like that every time he’s in the 1-3-1, trying to block the pass to the wing. Unfortunately Lucas’ head just happened to get in the way this time (not sure if Lucas knew about Manny kicking his leg up beforehand… if so, smart play for him I guess).

  • maxwell’s demon

    Is anyone watching this game? The reffing is absurd!

  • Jeff

    Great game. I never noticed what a flopper Trevon Hughes was. He drives into Johnson and then throws his head back and they call a foul. A short while later he shoots a three then throws himself to the floor, totally fooling Brent Musberger, but not the refs. It’s kind of annoying that cheap tactics like that and so much of the clutching and grabbing is rewarded in the Big Ten.

  • beileinomics

    Alex, at this point, winning 9 out of the last 10 games is probably 99.999999…9999% impossible. I think that we should focus on winning our home games or at least staying competative in them in order to gain favorable NIT positioning. However, when the BTT roles around, we’ve got nothing to lose. Winning 3 or 4 games could certaintly be possible if we give it our all and if we achieve that, suprise, we get an automatic bid. If not, then I’ll be just fine with the NIT. At least we tried.

    Regarding Manny and Sims, I would agree that Sims is currently our most important player right now. What I’m curious about is if Sims will get a spot on the All-Big Ten first team this year.

  • Alex

    I hope Sims gets it he has been playing great this year.

  • Paul F.

    I hope Deshawn Sims gets a chance at the NBA.
    He’s got to be my favorite wolverine. Plays his butt off. Sims, is the kind of player, I’d do a road trip to go see him play. Doesn’t matter where he will be. I’ll go cheer for him.

  • Drew

    http://detroit4lyfe.com/articles/michigan-state-spartans/should-kalin-lucas-be-suspended.html

    I like this guy’s take on the Lucas elbow. This is definitely worth a read for everyone. The more I watch the video, the more I’m convinced that this elbow was way higher than it needed to be and he should have been ejected. Didn’t feel that way at the time, but I do now. Favorite line from the article… “Props to Chris Kramer for selling it well and simultaneously throwing away his manhood.” LMAO.

  • http://www.umhoops.com Dylan

    There is no way in hell that Lucas should be suspended for that elbow. The only thing that I could have seen would be having him assessed with more than just a personal foul.

  • http://umhoops.com Mattski

    Am reading through recent posts and found myself wondering just how big a problem the established B10 style of play might really be for Beilein down the line. It’s more than just a lunchbucket ethos that’s now almost set in stone; it’s the way refs call or do not call the game. Can offenses based on finesse or flow succeed here? Would a Duke, for ex., succeed here? (I know their O is, in the end, quite different, but.)

    Bobby Knight DID succeed here, of course. (Even though Keith Smart is remembered for a long shot from the corner, I seem to remember him making millions of mid-range shots.) Maybe you have to have really superior talent. Maybe super-agile guys who produce a lot of layups from the defense, back door plays that evolve from good three-point shooting, maybe it all comes together. I have to learn more about the game to understand better, but it’s kind of a fascinating question.

    Guess w. Beilein’s new ironclad lifetime contract we’re gonna find out! Or maybe I’m completely wrong and it’s not an issue; as Dylan says, couple of made shots here or there and the team is an easy NC2A entry this yr, the coach is a genius. . .

  • Drew

    Dylan,
    I suppose a suspension is not warranted, but I don’t think an ejection from that game would have been THAT outrageous. Seriously, look how intentionally high he comes up with that!

    And I’ll be the first to admit I hate MSU, especially the thuggery displayed by Lucas/Morgan every game… constant chest pounding, and I swear, Raymar’s lip is permanently stuck in that upright position, when he gets fired up from making a lay up? Congrats, you had a big impact in a game for the first time in two years!

    But I don’t think I’m being that biased when I watch that elbow. How is it not on par with/worse than Manny’s? Shouldn’t there be some sort of precedent used?

  • http://www.umhoops.com Dylan

    I agree with the ejection precedent concept. Especially because people overall seemed to be OK with Harris getting ejected. That argument stands.

    I was more referring to the suspension idea. Harris was not suspended and didn’t deserve to be. Same with Lucas. When you have someone intentionally elbowing someone like Novak on PJ Hill, that’s when they deserve a suspension.

  • bird

    (…and a Christmas card.)

  • JimC

    Don’t know about you guys, but i want closure, and to move on.
    Hey Dylan, when’s the IA preview coming, or some Friday links, or some rumors about Zeigler, or something about the Vancouver Olympics. Anything?

  • Drew

    I’d like to see PJ Hill take about 5 more elbows before his pathetic playing days are done. Same with Kramer.

  • http://www.umhoops.com Dylan

    Got a link post coming up soon. Preview later probably.

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