Comments on: Game 18: Michigan at Wisconsin Post Game http://www.umhoops.com/2010/01/21/game-18-michigan-at-wisconsin-post-game/ Michigan Basketball News, Recruiting, and Analysis Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: What’s Wrong with Manny Harris? | UM Hoops.com http://www.umhoops.com/2010/01/21/game-18-michigan-at-wisconsin-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-22313 What’s Wrong with Manny Harris? | UM Hoops.com Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:42:40 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=6585#comment-22313 [...] been routinely pointing out Manny Harris’ struggles over the last several weeks. Michigan put the ball in his hands down the stretch in Madison and he let them down. He’s shooting just 23 of 68 (33.8%) over his last five games. He was suspended for an [...] [...] been routinely pointing out Manny Harris’ struggles over the last several weeks. Michigan put the ball in his hands down the stretch in Madison and he let them down. He’s shooting just 23 of 68 (33.8%) over his last five games. He was suspended for an [...]

]]> By: Game 23: Wisconsin at Michigan Preview | UM Hoops.com http://www.umhoops.com/2010/01/21/game-18-michigan-at-wisconsin-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-22312 Game 23: Wisconsin at Michigan Preview | UM Hoops.com Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:25:03 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=6585#comment-22312 [...] Who: Michigan (11-11, 4-6) vs. Wisconsin(17-5, 7-3) Where: Crisler Arena, Ann Arbor, MI When: February 6th, 4PM TV: CBS Radio: MGoBlue, WWJ 950 AM/WTKA 1050 AM Line: Stats: Live TFS Pomeroy Profile First Match-up: Preview / Post game [...] [...] Who: Michigan (11-11, 4-6) vs. Wisconsin(17-5, 7-3) Where: Crisler Arena, Ann Arbor, MI When: February 6th, 4PM TV: CBS Radio: MGoBlue, WWJ 950 AM/WTKA 1050 AM Line: Stats: Live TFS Pomeroy Profile First Match-up: Preview / Post game [...]

]]> By: Monday Musings | UM Hoops.com http://www.umhoops.com/2010/01/21/game-18-michigan-at-wisconsin-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-22311 Monday Musings | UM Hoops.com Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:23:08 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=6585#comment-22311 [...] injury but I think it was more the effects of frustrating season, personally and for this team. His struggles peaked versus Wisconsin in what was easily one of his worst games this [...] [...] injury but I think it was more the effects of frustrating season, personally and for this team. His struggles peaked versus Wisconsin in what was easily one of his worst games this [...]

]]> By: Junderground http://www.umhoops.com/2010/01/21/game-18-michigan-at-wisconsin-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-22310 Junderground Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:23:06 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=6585#comment-22310 TWEETER, thanks for the comments on weightlifting and shooting. That's certainly the most insight into a possible explanation for this team I've seen. TWEETER, thanks for the comments on weightlifting and shooting. That’s certainly the most insight into a possible explanation for this team I’ve seen.

]]> By: chitownblue http://www.umhoops.com/2010/01/21/game-18-michigan-at-wisconsin-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-22309 chitownblue Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:55:52 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=6585#comment-22309 It should also be noted that much of our current freshmen were recruited under the specter of U of M's abysmal 10-win season - not the NCAA year. It should also be noted that much of our current freshmen were recruited under the specter of U of M’s abysmal 10-win season – not the NCAA year.

]]> By: chitownblue http://www.umhoops.com/2010/01/21/game-18-michigan-at-wisconsin-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-22308 chitownblue Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:48:13 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=6585#comment-22308 Deacon - Morris is an interesting case. He has lapses, but I think he's already our best perimeter defender - he's fast, has long arms, and, most importantly, generally has the effort. But, for a guy that scored so much in high school, his jumper is really a work in progress. On Vogrich - he's clearly not ready yet - we'll see if he grows. My last comment on the matter - a negative poster up above cited Daniel Horton as an impact freshman. And yeah, I guess despite the 37% shooting and the 1:1 assist/TO ration from a PG, he scored 15 ppg, so I guess he did. But he NEVER got better. He scored 12 ppg with abysmal shooting percentages and turnovers for the next two years, with some modest gains coming as a senior. Courtney Sims was the same Snuggie-soft milquetoast for his entire career - no progress. Petway never learned how to do anything other than jump. Dion Harris was the same guy as a senior he was as a freshman. Sure - we got "talent" but what happened with it? DeShawn Sims and Manny Harris, today, are significantly better players than they were before they met John Beilein. Harris's shooting % has gone up 30 points a year under Beilein, his rebounds and assists have nearly doubled, and his turovers have gone DOWN. DeShawn Sims shoots 105 points higher than he did in Beilein's first season, and he's added an additional rebound per game for the past few years. My point? Players get BETTER with Beilein. He showed this at WVU, and he's shown this in his 2 off-seasons in Ann Arbor. Deacon – Morris is an interesting case. He has lapses, but I think he’s already our best perimeter defender – he’s fast, has long arms, and, most importantly, generally has the effort. But, for a guy that scored so much in high school, his jumper is really a work in progress. On Vogrich – he’s clearly not ready yet – we’ll see if he grows.

My last comment on the matter – a negative poster up above cited Daniel Horton as an impact freshman. And yeah, I guess despite the 37% shooting and the 1:1 assist/TO ration from a PG, he scored 15 ppg, so I guess he did. But he NEVER got better. He scored 12 ppg with abysmal shooting percentages and turnovers for the next two years, with some modest gains coming as a senior. Courtney Sims was the same Snuggie-soft milquetoast for his entire career – no progress. Petway never learned how to do anything other than jump. Dion Harris was the same guy as a senior he was as a freshman. Sure – we got “talent” but what happened with it?

DeShawn Sims and Manny Harris, today, are significantly better players than they were before they met John Beilein. Harris’s shooting % has gone up 30 points a year under Beilein, his rebounds and assists have nearly doubled, and his turovers have gone DOWN. DeShawn Sims shoots 105 points higher than he did in Beilein’s first season, and he’s added an additional rebound per game for the past few years.

My point? Players get BETTER with Beilein. He showed this at WVU, and he’s shown this in his 2 off-seasons in Ann Arbor.

]]> By: maxwell's demon http://www.umhoops.com/2010/01/21/game-18-michigan-at-wisconsin-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-22307 maxwell's demon Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:38:56 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=6585#comment-22307 I watched the first half of that game of Horford's that someone posted one of these sites. Definitely looks skinny, but you can tell he's a smart player, good passer, good shooter. Maybe he won't be an instant impact player (OMG he's terrible, why bring him in?) but looks like he good be a pretty good player. I watched the first half of that game of Horford’s that someone posted one of these sites. Definitely looks skinny, but you can tell he’s a smart player, good passer, good shooter. Maybe he won’t be an instant impact player (OMG he’s terrible, why bring him in?) but looks like he good be a pretty good player.

]]> By: Mattski http://www.umhoops.com/2010/01/21/game-18-michigan-at-wisconsin-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-22306 Mattski Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:43:38 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=6585#comment-22306 FWIW: over on mgoblog someone is saying that Horford is a lock. The poster's also a little higher on Horford than Dylan seemed to be after taking in a game the other day (compares his development to his bro's at the same stage): http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/basketball-recruiting-0 FWIW: over on mgoblog someone is saying that Horford is a lock. The poster’s also a little higher on Horford than Dylan seemed to be after taking in a game the other day (compares his development to his bro’s at the same stage):

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/basketball-recruiting-0

]]> By: michiganman777 http://www.umhoops.com/2010/01/21/game-18-michigan-at-wisconsin-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-22305 michiganman777 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:10:48 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=6585#comment-22305 I would just like to say that im proud of our team for how we played at wisky. Coach B has really transformed our defensive play by leaps and bounds from the start of the season. It sucks to lose a game like that but if we can play like that the rest of the season we would make the tourny. Last but not least im not gonna rag on Manny too much for having an off game when he has carried us on his back for 2+ years. It happens. It sucks but it happens. I would just like to say that im proud of our team for how we played at wisky. Coach B has really transformed our defensive play by leaps and bounds from the start of the season. It sucks to lose a game like that but if we can play like that the rest of the season we would make the tourny.

Last but not least im not gonna rag on Manny too much for having an off game when he has carried us on his back for 2+ years. It happens. It sucks but it happens.

]]> By: AG2 http://www.umhoops.com/2010/01/21/game-18-michigan-at-wisconsin-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-22304 AG2 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:58:24 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=6585#comment-22304 Off topic question: If Penn State was in the Pac-10, what would their record be? Off topic question:

If Penn State was in the Pac-10, what would their record be?

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