Comments on: Tuesday Links http://www.umhoops.com/2009/04/21/tuesday-links-9/ Michigan Basketball News, Recruiting, and Analysis Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Brick http://www.umhoops.com/2009/04/21/tuesday-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-15794 Brick Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:46:25 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=3377#comment-15794 Have you ever been to West Virginia? This pretty much says it all http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/27955649.html Have you ever been to West Virginia?

This pretty much says it all

http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/27955649.html

]]> By: Dave http://www.umhoops.com/2009/04/21/tuesday-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-15793 Dave Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:23:34 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=3377#comment-15793 i dont buy that stuff about west virginia...........but we will see i dont buy that stuff about west virginia………..but we will see

]]> By: Brick http://www.umhoops.com/2009/04/21/tuesday-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-15792 Brick Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:57:14 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=3377#comment-15792 Dave, I didn't know West Virginia had a school until Beilein took them to the tourney. There are pretty much no players from the state and the surrounding states all have much better options for any recruit. There is a reason JB left. He will be landing much better recruits here. Dave,

I didn’t know West Virginia had a school until Beilein took them to the tourney. There are pretty much no players from the state and the surrounding states all have much better options for any recruit. There is a reason JB left. He will be landing much better recruits here.

]]> By: Dave http://www.umhoops.com/2009/04/21/tuesday-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-15791 Dave Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:45:41 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=3377#comment-15791 the only thing that concerns me and the reason why i bring this stuff up all the time is because he didnt bring in the big names at west virgina wither and he was there 5 years.........and it doesnt matter how long a person is at a place........as soon as thad matta landed at ohio he was pulling in top recruits year after year and im sure there is more than 1 example........so time at a place doesnt matter to me at all..........if other coaches can do it immediately he should be able to as well the only thing that concerns me and the reason why i bring this stuff up all the time is because he didnt bring in the big names at west virgina wither and he was there 5 years………and it doesnt matter how long a person is at a place……..as soon as thad matta landed at ohio he was pulling in top recruits year after year and im sure there is more than 1 example……..so time at a place doesnt matter to me at all……….if other coaches can do it immediately he should be able to as well

]]> By: Sam http://www.umhoops.com/2009/04/21/tuesday-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-15790 Sam Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:38:27 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=3377#comment-15790 Keeping on track with this "game changer" topic, I think a lot of people are giving up on the idea of McCallum a little too early. I have seen more about us recruiting McCallum and Zeigler than any other player recently and I think I might like our chances. C.J. and Xavier Henry going to Kansas I think helps us out quite a bit now that they have a couple guards that are definitely going to get some playing time. I'm looking at a class of Smotrycz, McCallum, Zeigler, and Regan (not sure about all this talk that we aren't going after him any more). If not Regan, give me Prather (although this is a definite longshot). Either way, I'm liking some of the possibilities. Keeping on track with this “game changer” topic, I think a lot of people are giving up on the idea of McCallum a little too early. I have seen more about us recruiting McCallum and Zeigler than any other player recently and I think I might like our chances. C.J. and Xavier Henry going to Kansas I think helps us out quite a bit now that they have a couple guards that are definitely going to get some playing time. I’m looking at a class of Smotrycz, McCallum, Zeigler, and Regan (not sure about all this talk that we aren’t going after him any more). If not Regan, give me Prather (although this is a definite longshot). Either way, I’m liking some of the possibilities.

]]> By: Wayman Britt http://www.umhoops.com/2009/04/21/tuesday-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-15789 Wayman Britt Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:18:05 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=3377#comment-15789 Dave you are right on. We need at least one game changer in the 2010 class. Someone who can carry the scoring all by themselves in the last 2-3 minutes of a game. Someone like K Lucas or E Turner who can hit a shot late in the game with defenders in their face. Dave you are right on. We need at least one game changer in the 2010 class. Someone who can carry the scoring all by themselves in the last 2-3 minutes of a game. Someone like K Lucas or E Turner who can hit a shot late in the game with defenders in their face.

]]> By: Mith http://www.umhoops.com/2009/04/21/tuesday-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-15788 Mith Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:16:34 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=3377#comment-15788 I think the overall point you are trying to make, Dave, is the same one you repeat every time there is a recruiting post. And that is that Beilein is somehow expected to pull in these monstrous recruits after 1 year of moderate success. The program has been in the tank for a decade, but if Beilein doesn't get some top notch guys in here, then he isn't a good coach. I disagree with you, I think a little patience might be in order. I think the overall point you are trying to make, Dave, is the same one you repeat every time there is a recruiting post. And that is that Beilein is somehow expected to pull in these monstrous recruits after 1 year of moderate success. The program has been in the tank for a decade, but if Beilein doesn’t get some top notch guys in here, then he isn’t a good coach.

I disagree with you, I think a little patience might be in order.

]]> By: Dave http://www.umhoops.com/2009/04/21/tuesday-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-15787 Dave Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:43:02 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=3377#comment-15787 i think the overall point that im trying to make that just popped into my head is that somebody like manny or deshawn is what im calling a "game changer" ........beilein has yet to recruit a game changer........morris and vogrich might be great players but i dont think they are game changers like a zeigler or prather or mccallum or other players.......you have to have at least 1 or 2 game changers to compete at the highest level.......you cant just rely on a coach and there system.......thats probably not going to be enough to get it done i think the overall point that im trying to make that just popped into my head is that somebody like manny or deshawn is what im calling a “game changer” ……..beilein has yet to recruit a game changer……..morris and vogrich might be great players but i dont think they are game changers like a zeigler or prather or mccallum or other players…….you have to have at least 1 or 2 game changers to compete at the highest level…….you cant just rely on a coach and there system…….thats probably not going to be enough to get it done

]]> By: Alex G http://www.umhoops.com/2009/04/21/tuesday-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-15786 Alex G Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:31:51 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=3377#comment-15786 One correction for John...if they were born in 1992 they have never seen Michigan as a big time BASKETBALL school. I think Dave is right...particularly about finding a replacement for Manny. Keep in mind, Beilein wasn't unemployed when he decided to come to UofM. He chose UofM as much as UofM chose him...and as much as anything, I would suspect he decided to come here so that he could take the program AND his career to the next level. He isn't doing that by tweaking his system (could have done that at WVU), he is doing that by utilizing the recruiting advantages of UofM and bringing in better players. I don't think this happens overnight, but the coaching staff is/has been (and should be) working towards that end. Manny and Peedi have been great. I don't think they've caused any trouble that should dissuade Beilein from pursuing top tier recruits. There haven't been any off the court incidents (that I can think of). They may have egos, but so do Jordan, James, Bryant and any number of other remarkable players...so I think you have to be careful writing off a player b/c of that. As long as the trouble is on the court, all we are talking about is coaching and that is what Beilein is paid to do (and clearly loves to do). Beilein knows those are his two best players, and I'm quite certain he (along with Dave) would love to have more players like them. One correction for John…if they were born in 1992 they have never seen Michigan as a big time BASKETBALL school.

I think Dave is right…particularly about finding a replacement for Manny. Keep in mind, Beilein wasn’t unemployed when he decided to come to UofM. He chose UofM as much as UofM chose him…and as much as anything, I would suspect he decided to come here so that he could take the program AND his career to the next level. He isn’t doing that by tweaking his system (could have done that at WVU), he is doing that by utilizing the recruiting advantages of UofM and bringing in better players. I don’t think this happens overnight, but the coaching staff is/has been (and should be) working towards that end.

Manny and Peedi have been great. I don’t think they’ve caused any trouble that should dissuade Beilein from pursuing top tier recruits. There haven’t been any off the court incidents (that I can think of). They may have egos, but so do Jordan, James, Bryant and any number of other remarkable players…so I think you have to be careful writing off a player b/c of that. As long as the trouble is on the court, all we are talking about is coaching and that is what Beilein is paid to do (and clearly loves to do). Beilein knows those are his two best players, and I’m quite certain he (along with Dave) would love to have more players like them.

]]> By: Jay http://www.umhoops.com/2009/04/21/tuesday-links-9/comment-page-1/#comment-15785 Jay Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:17:05 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=3377#comment-15785 Greg you cannot pass up on a talent like Ray McCallum period, even if you so called have a PG. Darius is bigger then him also, and has played off the ball previously so its not a big deal to add another true and highly skilled PG. Lets stop the Regan talk, and focus on what will distinguish this program from other JB programs and thats a highly sought after recruit. You also have to remember yes JB recruits those who can fit his system, but he has never had the chance to recruit kids that DIDNT so called fit his system. To blend in that uncanny athlete with his skilled role players has never happened, but I think it will very soon. Greg you cannot pass up on a talent like Ray McCallum period, even if you so called have a PG. Darius is bigger then him also, and has played off the ball previously so its not a big deal to add another true and highly skilled PG. Lets stop the Regan talk, and focus on what will distinguish this program from other JB programs and thats a highly sought after recruit. You also have to remember yes JB recruits those who can fit his system, but he has never had the chance to recruit kids that DIDNT so called fit his system. To blend in that uncanny athlete with his skilled role players has never happened, but I think it will very soon.

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