Mar 14, 2009 at 7:31 am by Dylan Burkhardt Filed under: Uncategorized

Bubble Notes (3-14-09)

Committee. We are one day away from Selection Sunday and most of the bubble action wraps up today. According to chairman Mike Slive the committee looks at “the three Ws and an H“:

“Who you play, where you play, with whom did you play and how you played,” Slive said. “Who you played: qualify of competition. Where you played: was it road, home or neutral? With whom did you play: was everyone available and healthy on either team? And how you played: did you win or maybe it was a good loss.

Slive also emphasizes the full body of work:

“The best way to evaluate a team is based on a full body of work, to think about or give credit for, or if there are losses, to hold teams accountable,” Slive said. “Otherwise, in a sense, you’re going to have November and December being an exhibition season, and it’s not. It’s an integral part of the entire season. I think it is important for the committee to consider the teams when they’re playing throughout the year.

I think Michigan’s resume stacks up very well against any of the other bubble teams out there. Michigan has 20 wins, a .500 conference record, their RPI is 42, they have 2 (possibly more when everything shakes out) top 25 wins, 6 top 50 wins, and 10 top 100 wins to go along with a top 10 strength of schedule. Yes, Michigan’s road record leaves something to be desired but every bubble team has its problems and Michigan definitely went out and beat quality competition this year .

Elsewhere. Temple or Duquesne will get in the tournament after they beat Dayton and Xavier in the A10 semifinals which takes one bid away from the rest of the bubble teams and guarantees three bids for the Atlantic 10.

We’ll start with Joe Sheehan’s list of bubble teams from Friday morning. Not many of these teams did much to help themselves. The few teams that won are in bold. Sheehan mentions that at most thirteen (it would be 12 now because the A10 is getting an extra bid) and as few as four of these teams could get in. I’m not sure about the exact math right now but this more or less gives a good sense of the other teams on the bubble. Teams in bold won yesterday.

  • Dayton – Lost to Duquense
  • Ohio State – Beat Wisconsin
  • Wisconsin – Lost to Ohio State
  • Michigan – Lost to Illinois
  • Texas A&M – Lost to Texas Tech Wednesday
  • Boston College – Lost to Duke
  • Creighton – Lost in Semis of MVC
  • Minnesota – Lost to Michigan State
  • Auburn - Beat Florida
  • Temple - Beat Xavier
  • South Carolina – Lost to Mississippi State
  • Florida – Lost to Auburn
  • Penn State – Lost to Purdue
  • Utah State – Squeaked by New Mexico St.
  • San Diego State – Beat BYU
  • New Mexico- Lost Thursday to Wyoming
  • UNLV – Lost Thursday to SDSU
  • Maryland - Beat Wake Forest
  • Alabama-Birmingham – Lost to Tulsa
  • Tulsa - Beat UAB
  • Niagara – Lost to Siena on Monday
  • Virginia Tech – Lost to UNC
  • Kentucky – Lost to LSU
  • Mississippi State – Beat South Carolina
  • St. Mary’s – Beat Eastern Washington

Not many teams doing that much to help themselves. Maryland got themselves back in the picture and they have some very nice wins. San Diego State got a huge win over BYU and Auburn keeps on winning. UNLV is slipping away but San Diego State is moving up. USC also played themselves onto the bubble with a win over UCLA; if they beat Arizona State they get the automatic bid but if not you have to wonder if they did enough to get themselves in? The lack of a quality road win really hurts them.

Basically there are a few teams that helped themselves but it doesn’t appear like Michigan is in danger yet. Bracketology 101 sees four teams that are in danger (their last four in include San Diego State, Maryland, Penn State, and St. Mary’s):

If we had to put a number on it we think that there are 4 bids still in question. All of the teams on the last 4 in line are still vulnerable, while everyone above them (the 10 line and better) are relatively safe.

Bubble watchers (Jeff Goodman and ESPN to name a few) also seem to still feel good about Michigan’s chances and I think Michigan is still in very good shape despite their loss. Michigan has more top 50 wins than essentially anyone else on the bubble and they took care of business in Indianapolis despite a somewhat disappointing loss.

Anything can happen over the next few days but it appears that it would take Murphy’s Law to knock Michigan out of the tournament at this point.

Saturday Viewers Guide. The theme of the day is to root against anyone that would steal a bid. If LSU and Tennessee make the conference finals, the SEC very well could be looking at 2-bids. Memphis, Arizona St., Missouri, and Utah St. can all lock up automatic bids and secure a spot for a bubble team.

  • Tulsa vs. Memphis - 11:35 AM CBS
  • Mississippi State vs. LSU – 1:00 PM ESPN2
  • Auburn vs. Tennessee - 3:30 PM ESPN2
  • Maryland vs. Duke - 4:00 PM ESPN
  • Duquesne vs. Temple – 6:00 PM ESPN2
  • Arizona St vs. USC – 6:00 PM CBS
  • Baylor vs. Missouri - 6PM ESPN
  • SDSU vs Utah - 7PM Versus
  • Utah St. vs. Nevada – 10:00 PM ESPN2
  • Bernie Mac

    I thin UM is safe. The committee will realize they are a scrappy team and have the potential to create some excitement in the tourney should they play well. And really, who woulda thunk that U of M would be where they are right now? Not many did at the beginning of the season, especially after last year’s crappy season.

  • JimC

    Thanks Dylan, it’s looking good. Note that the list of bubble teams is “in rough order”. So that looks reassuring.

  • Dodort

    We’re rooting for Temple in their game, although it’s probably not important. Temple has an outside chance of a bid even if they loose, while Duquesne doesn’t.

  • Chad Jones

    Michigan’s In. We just aren’t use to being IN, and that is creating alot of anxiety, for fans, I know myself I wont be happy until our name is called, but I feel confident about a bid right night

  • JimC

    Chad i think you’re right. We can really all relax a little.

    And no matter what happens next week we can be proud of this team!

  • Sheryl
  • Avery Queen

    Go SDSU! I always have love for Fisher.

  • Josh B

    Dylan, quick note: I’m sure you meant “…they have 2 (possibly more when everything shakes out) top 25 wins”.

    Lets hope Missouri takes care of Baylor today.

  • Avery Queen

    btw how much cooler is JB than Rich Rod

  • AG2

    After last night, I think USC could take Arizona’s bid, Maryland could take Penn State’s bid, Temple could take Creighton’s bid, and Baylor could take Texas A&M’s bid.

  • Avery Queen

    i like those picks. definitely think penn state is in trouble.

  • Redwings8831

    I got an e-mail today from the Maize Rage that was originally sent from Katy Jackson, the assistant marketing person saying that there will be a selections show party at Crisler tomorrow. Doors open at 5 for the show, which is at 6.

  • Sheryl

    An article from a local (NW Indiana) paper talking to Beilein about his decision to offer Novak.
    http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?SectionID=8&SubSectionID=96&ArticleID=21729&TM=39891.74

    Here’s to everyone walking around with big smiles on their faces tomorrow evening!!

  • Bungaman

    Why do people say that Michigan made the tournament in 1998? That season does NOT exist. Michigan hasn’t legitimately made the NCAA tournamen since 1995. Why give that ’98 team any credit whatsoever?

  • Redwings8831

    Also, regarding the selection show party at Crisler, CBS is expected to be there filming our reaction.

    http://www.freep.com/article/20090314/SPORTS06/90314027/Michigan+to+host+NCAA+Tournament+selection+show

  • Avery Queen

    here comes big ten 10 bashing by digger. i can feel it.

  • Chad Jones

    he’s a moron, I would take PSU over St Mary’s and Creighton anyday!!!

  • Dylan

    Confirmed. Sunday At 5pm.Selection Sunday party at Crisler and I’m hearing it’s televised on CBS.

  • http://umhoops.com Wayman Britt

    Shery, thanks for the link about Novak. Novak had a good season and does the little things that count. You don’t always need a full roster of H.S All Americans. Hopefully over the summer he learns to not shoot leaning back on one foot.

  • jmblue

    Bungaman, don’t be a jerk. Most sensible people agree that those games happened and that it’s silly to “vacate” them after the fact. Only the NCAA compliance office really considers that season to have not happened.

  • Avery Queen

    best part about gameday today was that they didn’t mention michigan.

  • jmblue

    We’re a bubble team that played one of the 10 toughest schedules of the 340 or so D-I schools. If we’re left out, what message would that send to the rest of the country? That playing tough OOC opponents is a waste of time? For that reason alone I think we’re safe.

  • Mith

    Agreed, jmblue. Of course they made the tourney in 1998. The NCAA can say that it doesn’t officially count, but of course it still happened.

    Everyone relax, Michigan will be in. Can’t wait to see them in the bracket.

  • Acedeuce

    I’m not worried, but what is wrong with Warren Nolen? He has us as the first out, but Minnesota as a 7 seed. um…. what?!? didn’t we sweep them? don’t we have more top 50 wins? just frustrating the lack of respect we get. that will all change shortly.

  • Mith

    Nolan’s bracket is so different than all the other ones out there that either he is a genius or a complete moron.

  • Bungaman

    I don’t see why me not liking that ’98 team makes me a jerk. It seems like more of you should agree with me. I am a big Michigan fan and that team ruined Michigan basketball for a long time. Most people blame Chris Webber, but I place the blame squarely on Traylor, Taylor, and Bullock. Those 3 did nothing but bring shame on the program. The University of Michigan is the one that vacated those games, not the NCAA. Those were sanctions that were self-applied. The NCAA just confirmed them.

  • Alex

    is it possible that Warren Nolan and Digger are friends?

  • jgunnip

    Sparty is in danger of losing their one seed against Ohio St, down 12 with 5 to go.

    If Memphis gets a one seed, they’ll probably be one of the weakest since St. Joe’s was a one seed a dew years back.

    How do you guys think the Big Ten will perform in the tournament? What do you feel would be a successful tournament? MSU will be a 2 seed, Illinois a 4 or 5 seed, Purdue a 6 or 7 and after that I don’t see anybody getting seeded higher than an 8. What do you think it will take to convince the Digger Phelp’s of the world (not that I care what he thinks) that the Big Ten is a legit conference?

    Given the seeding, we’ll only be expected to get two sweet 16 teams, but I think it would take 3 probably 4 S16 spots with an E8 apperance or two to get some respect. thoughts?

  • Giddings

    I think Warren Nolan bases his projections heavily on his “NPI” or Nolan Power Index, which likely takes into account things such as scoring margin, etc where me might not stack up so well.

    Amazingly we are 42nd in the RPI but 80th in the NPI. Minnesota is 57th in the NPI. For reference, he has Utah State at 10th, Davidson at 18th, Niagara at 25th, Western Kentucky at 37th, and College of Charleston at 45th.

  • UMDC

    jgunnip, I’d say we’d need at least 4 sweet 16 teams to even begin to change the minds of the B10 haters.

    Of course, the ridiculous part is that we’ll (the B10) get seeded in such away that only 2 teams are suppose to make it And then when only 2 teams do make it, that will be “proof” that the B10 was not very good. And then when the Big East or ACC has teams seeded with the expectation that they get 3 or 4 sweet 16 teams and then they do, it will be “proof” of how good they are.

    So, the result is that they give the B10 harder games to play and then when they lose it’s proof of them not being as good as the Big East or ACC, which were given easier games to play.

  • http://www.collegefastbreak.com/ Ryan

    I don’t think anybody has mentioned it but in the eyes of the committee Michigan only has *19* wins.

    DII wins do not count

  • jmblue

    Total wins (and winning percentage vs. D-I opposition) are already factored into the RPI. Given that we have one of the highest RPIs of any bubble team, it appears not to be an issue.

  • jgunnip

    Yeah, that’s the thing UMDC. I don’t know how the other power conferences have performed against seed expectation (PASE), but the Big Ten has done very well in the last 10 years, outperforming their seed six times, and only under performing twice (albeit badly bother times), yet, because the “quality” of play isn’t as attractive to the casual viewer than the ACC or whatever, the Big Ten is constantly derided for being a conference of bad offenses.

    The next few years will be interesting to watch because the quality of coaching in this league is unparalleled imo. Sure the SEC probably has more talent but there just aren’t any marquee coaching names in that league right now, other than Donovan, and I think that’s one reason why it’s considered to be so weak this year.

  • Tom, Also

    Sweet Novak article. It is going to be so fun watching him and Douglass go through their 4 years together at Michigan.

  • Tom Too

    Yep….

  • jgunnip

    Apparently this is what Michigan’s resume looks like to the selection committee. pretty cool.

    http://www.bbstate.com/school.php?s=MICH&a=sheet

  • SpartanDan

    jgunnip: Regarding St. Joe’s, you listened to Billy Packer too much. St. Joe’s wasn’t even the weakest 1 seed that year. They played a tougher schedule than Stanford did, believe it or not. Memphis would be a weaker #1 seed than either St. Joe’s or Stanford 2004 by a pretty wide margin. 4-2 against the RPI top 50, two of those against a team that’s not making the tournament, and a sub-50 loss … that’s not a #1 seed resume.

  • jmblue

    Cool! Thanks for the link.

  • jgunnip

    SpartanDan, fair enough. I just plucked them from a short list of low-major teams in recent memory who were 1 seeds. Bad choice. They were legit and probably played one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the history (not a single opponent outside the RPI top 140) and ran the table against them not losing their first game until the conference tournament championship game.

    You gotta be careful throwing Bill Packer’s name around like that though. That’s not nice lol.

  • JimC

    I think the B10 will do really well, and plan to pick them to win every first round game at least. It’s a really physical league with good D, and all those OOC wins show what they can do.

    Ugh Billy Packer, soon we all have to listen to that guy drone on about the great team from 40 years ago.

  • Kevin

    Does the Illinios game in the tournement count as a non-conference loss?

  • SpartanDan

    JimC: The Great Grump retired from announcing after last year, so no worries about that. I forget who got promoted to the Final Four this year, think it was Clark Kellogg.

  • Mith

    Kevin, no. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t part of the regular season conference schedule.

  • jmblue

    But then how do we have four nonconference losses?

  • Mith

    According to who?

    How can a game against Illinois count as non-conference?

  • BJ

    Lunardi’s road to the Final 4

    Michigan vs Texas
    Michigan vs Memphis
    Michigan vs Missouri
    Michigan vs UConn

  • jmblue

    Mith, look at this site:

    http://www.bbstate.com/school.php?s=MICH&a=sheet

    It seems to me that they’re adding our 1-1 record in the BTT to our nonconference record (while not counting the Michigan Tech game, since they’re D-II).

  • Tom Too

    My buddy drove Billy Packer around DC one weekend when he was covering G-Town, and he said Packer was a Pecker. Real Jerk. Good riddance.

  • http://www.umhoops.com Dylan

    LOL, Norfolk State is playing for an NCAA tourney bid. They were NOT a good team (when we played them at least).

  • http://www.umhoops.com Dylan

    Also, after their win over Illinois, Purdue’s RPI jumps to 25. Illinois is at 22.

  • http://www.umhoops.com Dylan

    Latest bracket math from Lunardi… Michigan is still a lock.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3980594&name=ncbexperts

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