Comments on: Tourney Talk with Mike Fahmie http://www.umhoops.com/2009/03/04/tourney-talk-with-mike-fahmie/ Michigan Basketball News, Recruiting, and Analysis Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: IX http://www.umhoops.com/2009/03/04/tourney-talk-with-mike-fahmie/comment-page-1/#comment-12692 IX Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:57:13 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2332#comment-12692 Looking at Fahmie's brackets the last few weeks, I agree with most of what his projections are. He has Michigan in his First Four Out, which seems pretty accurate. He'll have Michigan as a lock in the tournament if they win Saturday AND their first BTT game. Some sites have us as a Next Four Out and Under Consideration. Those brackets will be bowing down to Fahmie come Selection Sunday. I think Wisconsin will find a way to beat Minnesota tonight, mainly due to the revenge factor. I'll go with 72-65, Badgers win. Looking at Fahmie’s brackets the last few weeks, I agree with most of what his projections are. He has Michigan in his First Four Out, which seems pretty accurate. He’ll have Michigan as a lock in the tournament if they win Saturday AND their first BTT game. Some sites have us as a Next Four Out and Under Consideration. Those brackets will be bowing down to Fahmie come Selection Sunday.

I think Wisconsin will find a way to beat Minnesota tonight, mainly due to the revenge factor. I’ll go with 72-65, Badgers win.

]]> By: Avery Queen http://www.umhoops.com/2009/03/04/tourney-talk-with-mike-fahmie/comment-page-1/#comment-12691 Avery Queen Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:39:35 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2332#comment-12691 btw nice work there jgunnip btw nice work there jgunnip

]]> By: Avery Queen http://www.umhoops.com/2009/03/04/tourney-talk-with-mike-fahmie/comment-page-1/#comment-12690 Avery Queen Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:36:55 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2332#comment-12690 I'm with James. A win vs. Minnesota is much more crucial than our performance in the BTT. If we lose and then say Minnesota, OSU and PSU all finish at 10-8 I think that drop off from 10-8 to 8-10 would be killer regardless of our run in the tourney. Now say PSU and OSU are still 10-8 so they are in and we tie with Minnesota at 9-9, there's no way Minnesota gets in ahead of us. They could maybe make the tourney with a great BTT performance but with resume comparison and head-to-head you can't take them without taking us. So with a win vs. Minn, I think 1 BTT win is a sure thing, and 0 might suffice. I’m with James. A win vs. Minnesota is much more crucial than our performance in the BTT.

If we lose and then say Minnesota, OSU and PSU all finish at 10-8 I think that drop off from 10-8 to 8-10 would be killer regardless of our run in the tourney.

Now say PSU and OSU are still 10-8 so they are in and we tie with Minnesota at 9-9, there’s no way Minnesota gets in ahead of us. They could maybe make the tourney with a great BTT performance but with resume comparison and head-to-head you can’t take them without taking us.

So with a win vs. Minn, I think 1 BTT win is a sure thing, and 0 might suffice.

]]> By: Dylan http://www.umhoops.com/2009/03/04/tourney-talk-with-mike-fahmie/comment-page-1/#comment-12689 Dylan Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:00:55 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2332#comment-12689 jgunnip: Arizona last year. There is an average of about 1 every year. Arizona also didn't do squat in their conference tourney, beat a lower tier Pac 10 team and then lost to Oregon I believe. jgunnip: Arizona last year. There is an average of about 1 every year. Arizona also didn’t do squat in their conference tourney, beat a lower tier Pac 10 team and then lost to Oregon I believe.

]]> By: jgunnip http://www.umhoops.com/2009/03/04/tourney-talk-with-mike-fahmie/comment-page-1/#comment-12688 jgunnip Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:47:16 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2332#comment-12688 ok one more poast. When was the last time a team with a losing conference record made the tournament as an at-large? We'd have a case if we ended up 8-10 and made the BTT semis or finals. Beating MSU would give us the most top 25 win. Obv, we'd need a lot to roll in out favor but its not out of the question. ok one more poast.

When was the last time a team with a losing conference record made the tournament as an at-large? We’d have a case if we ended up 8-10 and made the BTT semis or finals. Beating MSU would give us the most top 25 win. Obv, we’d need a lot to roll in out favor but its not out of the question.

]]> By: Dave http://www.umhoops.com/2009/03/04/tourney-talk-with-mike-fahmie/comment-page-1/#comment-12687 Dave Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:34:13 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2332#comment-12687 im figuring that michigan losses to minnesota which makes 13 and then losses in the btt at some point which makes 14.....yeah they played an extremely tough schedule but they will have 14 losses........i dont care how good of a year they had......thats still pretty bad overall i dont care if they exceeded expectations 14 losses in my book is really bad apparently all you guys enjoy that many losses for some reason im figuring that michigan losses to minnesota which makes 13 and then losses in the btt at some point which makes 14…..yeah they played an extremely tough schedule but they will have 14 losses……..i dont care how good of a year they had……thats still pretty bad overall i dont care if they exceeded expectations 14 losses in my book is really bad apparently all you guys enjoy that many losses for some reason

]]> By: jgunnip http://www.umhoops.com/2009/03/04/tourney-talk-with-mike-fahmie/comment-page-1/#comment-12686 jgunnip Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:34:05 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2332#comment-12686 Here's a breakdown. Remaining Big Ten games. (gametimes EST) Tonight: NW @ Purdue (6:30), Wisc @ Minny (8:30) Thur: Ill @ Purdue (9) Sat: Mich @ Minny (12), PSU @ Iowa (2) Sun: Purdue @ MSU (12), NW @ OSU (5), Ind @ Wisc (7) Also, here are all the possible BTT tiebreaker scenarios. Tiebreaker rules are 1) Winning % amongst tied teams, 2) Winning % against MSU (conf champ). Two-Team Illinois > Purdue Illinois > Wisconsin Wisconsin > Ohio St Wisconsin > Penn St Ohio St > Penn St Penn St > Michigan Michigan > Minnesota Three-Team Wisconsin > Ohio St > Penn St Ohio St > Penn St > Michigan Ohio St > Michigan > Minnesota Michigan > Penn St > Minnesota Four-Team Ohio St > Penn St > Michigan > Minnesota First-Second round implications for us. 6 seed: Indiana-Purdue (if MSU beats Purdue), Indiana-Illinois (if Purdue beats MSU) 7 seed: Iowa-Purdue (if Purdue beats MSU OR PSU beats Illinois), Iowa-Illinois (if Illinois beats PSU and MSU beats Purdue) 8 seed: Northwestern-MSU (The above assumes Purdue beats Northwestern at home tonight.) A win against Minnesota will get us a 7 seed UNLESS Penn St loses to Illinois and Iowa AND Minnesota beats Wisconsin AND OSU beats Northwestern. Then we would be a 6 seed. Loss to Minnesota = 8 seed. Think I got that all right. Here’s a breakdown.

Remaining Big Ten games. (gametimes EST)
Tonight: NW @ Purdue (6:30), Wisc @ Minny (8:30)
Thur: Ill @ Purdue (9)
Sat: Mich @ Minny (12), PSU @ Iowa (2)
Sun: Purdue @ MSU (12), NW @ OSU (5), Ind @ Wisc (7)

Also, here are all the possible BTT tiebreaker scenarios. Tiebreaker rules are 1) Winning % amongst tied teams, 2) Winning % against MSU (conf champ).

Two-Team
Illinois > Purdue
Illinois > Wisconsin
Wisconsin > Ohio St
Wisconsin > Penn St
Ohio St > Penn St
Penn St > Michigan
Michigan > Minnesota

Three-Team
Wisconsin > Ohio St > Penn St
Ohio St > Penn St > Michigan
Ohio St > Michigan > Minnesota
Michigan > Penn St > Minnesota

Four-Team
Ohio St > Penn St > Michigan > Minnesota

First-Second round implications for us.
6 seed: Indiana-Purdue (if MSU beats Purdue), Indiana-Illinois (if Purdue beats MSU)
7 seed: Iowa-Purdue (if Purdue beats MSU OR PSU beats Illinois), Iowa-Illinois (if Illinois beats PSU and MSU beats Purdue)
8 seed: Northwestern-MSU

(The above assumes Purdue beats Northwestern at home tonight.)

A win against Minnesota will get us a 7 seed UNLESS Penn St loses to Illinois and Iowa AND Minnesota beats Wisconsin AND OSU beats Northwestern. Then we would be a 6 seed.

Loss to Minnesota = 8 seed.

Think I got that all right.

]]> By: jgunnip http://www.umhoops.com/2009/03/04/tourney-talk-with-mike-fahmie/comment-page-1/#comment-12685 jgunnip Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:10:29 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2332#comment-12685 Fahmie is the man. The one thing I disagree with is his W-W-L prognosis. That is an auto-in IMO. I do agree that a W-L is very bad, This means we've lost to Iowa or Indiana. But I think we're still squarely on the bubble in this spot. Still have that 9-9 conf record. Fahmie is the man. The one thing I disagree with is his W-W-L prognosis. That is an auto-in IMO.

I do agree that a W-L is very bad, This means we’ve lost to Iowa or Indiana. But I think we’re still squarely on the bubble in this spot. Still have that 9-9 conf record.

]]> By: JimC http://www.umhoops.com/2009/03/04/tourney-talk-with-mike-fahmie/comment-page-1/#comment-12684 JimC Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:43:24 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2332#comment-12684 "...Root for ejections leading to 1 game suspensions for Minnesota players." Good one! And then it doesn't really matter if MN wins or loses. I hope a big fight breaks out tonight at MN. “…Root for ejections leading to 1 game suspensions for Minnesota players.”

Good one!
And then it doesn’t really matter if MN wins or loses.
I hope a big fight breaks out tonight at MN.

]]> By: Dylan http://www.umhoops.com/2009/03/04/tourney-talk-with-mike-fahmie/comment-page-1/#comment-12683 Dylan Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:40:12 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2332#comment-12683 Arizona did have a couple more road wins as well, that's the biggest difference that I see... Win Saturday and I think we are in very good shape. Arizona did have a couple more road wins as well, that’s the biggest difference that I see… Win Saturday and I think we are in very good shape.

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