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]]> By: Go Blue http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/22/game-28-michigan-at-iowa-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-12013 Go Blue Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:25:06 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2119#comment-12013 Tom also You should probably watch the games and get a clue before posting. Raiderfan it is so obvious to anyone with a passing knowledge of the game that Grady and Manny are the only players on the roster who can get other guys shots for them. Look at overtime, are you kidding me. They were all standing around like deer in headlights, which explains why we didnt score until the game was well over. Grady is way better than Lee. Contrary to the myth perpetuated on this site that Lee is some kind of defensive stud, Lee is not good at anything on the court. CJ Lee=Gary Payton...ROFL Tom also

You should probably watch the games and get a clue before posting. Raiderfan it is so obvious to anyone with a passing knowledge of the game that Grady and Manny are the only players on the roster who can get other guys shots for them. Look at overtime, are you kidding me. They were all standing around like deer in headlights, which explains why we didnt score until the game was well over. Grady is way better than Lee. Contrary to the myth perpetuated on this site that Lee is some kind of defensive stud, Lee is not good at anything on the court. CJ Lee=Gary Payton…ROFL

]]> By: steve http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/22/game-28-michigan-at-iowa-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-12012 steve Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:11:18 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2119#comment-12012 Don't forget that Belein recruited Joe Alexander who was picked 8th overall this past year by the Bucks. I would consider that elite talent. Don’t forget that Belein recruited Joe Alexander who was picked 8th overall this past year by the Bucks. I would consider that elite talent.

]]> By: Tom, Also http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/22/game-28-michigan-at-iowa-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-12011 Tom, Also Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:58:03 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2119#comment-12011 I actually only had the last play on radio, so I didn't see it. I'm going by what I've heard on message boards and post-game wraps, etc. Plus, I always qualified that *if* Manny blew up that last play, blah blah blah. I agree with you on David Merritt. There's no evidence to suggest that Beilein can't bring in top talent. His "record" is that he's always coached mid-major teams at best. He hasn't had the opportunity to recruit at a premier institution like UM. So far, despite UM's lack of success and facilities, he's pulling in top100 recruits. Not bad if you ask me. I actually only had the last play on radio, so I didn’t see it. I’m going by what I’ve heard on message boards and post-game wraps, etc. Plus, I always qualified that *if* Manny blew up that last play, blah blah blah.

I agree with you on David Merritt.

There’s no evidence to suggest that Beilein can’t bring in top talent. His “record” is that he’s always coached mid-major teams at best. He hasn’t had the opportunity to recruit at a premier institution like UM. So far, despite UM’s lack of success and facilities, he’s pulling in top100 recruits. Not bad if you ask me.

]]> By: raiderfan http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/22/game-28-michigan-at-iowa-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-12010 raiderfan Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:37:10 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2119#comment-12010 And back to the last play of regulation vs. Iowa, watch the tape again. The ball was in 4 different players hands, then Manny passed it to Novak with 6 seconds left. Novak didn't even look at the goal and passed it back to Manny with 2 seconds left. That is hardly Manny trying to blow the game. If you want to blame anyone, blame Novak. Nice try though. And back to the last play of regulation vs. Iowa, watch the tape again. The ball was in 4 different players hands, then Manny passed it to Novak with 6 seconds left. Novak didn’t even look at the goal and passed it back to Manny with 2 seconds left. That is hardly Manny trying to blow the game. If you want to blame anyone, blame Novak. Nice try though.

]]> By: raiderfan http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/22/game-28-michigan-at-iowa-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-12009 raiderfan Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:33:39 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2119#comment-12009 The highest ranked recruit we have a realistic shot at is Moses Morgan and he is an average 4 star ranked #68. What you have to understand is that JB best teams work well when they have a couple players that can penetrate and kick it out to the three point shooters. At this point in the season, with the exception of Manny, KG is our next best option. All I want is JB to give him a shot, you can't honestly tell me that you think Dave Merritt has done well as of late defensively. I am not arguing that CJ shouldn't play, but he should be playing Merritt's minutes and Grady should be playing Lee's. When you compare the Iowa roster to ours, we are by far the superior team. They don't have one player that out of high school was ranked in the top 150 while we have 4 (LLP, Grady, Sims, Harris). Don't say the talent isn't there, JB just hasn't done a good job putting that talent to use. I hate to say it, but his resume suggests that he never will. He has always put together middle of the pack teams, and this honestly is one of the more talented teams he has ever had. Am I pleased with the turn around from last year, yes. Am I happy with another NIT appearance this year, NO. You say we don't have the talent, I say we do. The highest ranked recruit we have a realistic shot at is Moses Morgan and he is an average 4 star ranked #68. What you have to understand is that JB best teams work well when they have a couple players that can penetrate and kick it out to the three point shooters. At this point in the season, with the exception of Manny, KG is our next best option. All I want is JB to give him a shot, you can’t honestly tell me that you think Dave Merritt has done well as of late defensively. I am not arguing that CJ shouldn’t play, but he should be playing Merritt’s minutes and Grady should be playing Lee’s. When you compare the Iowa roster to ours, we are by far the superior team. They don’t have one player that out of high school was ranked in the top 150 while we have 4 (LLP, Grady, Sims, Harris). Don’t say the talent isn’t there, JB just hasn’t done a good job putting that talent to use. I hate to say it, but his resume suggests that he never will. He has always put together middle of the pack teams, and this honestly is one of the more talented teams he has ever had. Am I pleased with the turn around from last year, yes. Am I happy with another NIT appearance this year, NO. You say we don’t have the talent, I say we do.

]]> By: Tom, Also http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/22/game-28-michigan-at-iowa-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-12008 Tom, Also Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:53:23 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2119#comment-12008 Why are you assuming that KG would have done better defensively? Did I say I'd rather have Manny on the bench? He's our best rebounder, and for that alone I want him on the floor. But he's turning into a black hole on offense. Neither Novak or Douglass can make an open layup? What are you talking about? I completely understand that Manny is our only player that can drive. That's why it's especially frustrating when he holds onto the ball in the final seconds and chucks a 35 footer, possibly in protest to not having the final play drawn up for him. I think I'll trust the guy with 500 NCAA wins over the immature sophomore. Instead of being mad at Beilein you should probably be mad at Manny. Why are you calling CJ Lee 'my boy'? I clearly stated I want Kelvin to play, but he has to earn it by not having defensive lapses on every other possession. CJ doesn't do that, therefore he plays. Did CJ have a good game? No. Neither did LLP or Manny or DeShawn. When your top three scorers shoot like ours did, you're not going to win games. Getting to the NIT was expected this year. We have far surpassed that. I don't know what your reasoning is for crying about it. TA got won us the NIT in 2004. Afterwards he finished 9th, 6th, 7th in the B10 respectively, never making the tournament. His last season he started 4(!) seniors and couldn't get it done. Beilein takes over with a terrible amount of talent, gets the team to finish strong and win 5 of their last 7 games. And now, with just a little more talent we're on the verge of making the tournament. Regardless of where the season ends, it has been a successful year. Ray McCallum and Cameron Ayers are 4* prospects ranked 55th and 56th by rivals (I didn't say explictly a 5* player, I said 4/5* guys. Both of these guys fall into that category). Also Trey Zeigler is a 4* right around the 75 range. How can you be anything but impressed that Beilein is able to pull in these guys when Michigan has done nothing in 10 years and has some of the worst facilities in the B10?! You should probably take a step back and look at what this team is coming from. Why are you assuming that KG would have done better defensively?

Did I say I’d rather have Manny on the bench? He’s our best rebounder, and for that alone I want him on the floor. But he’s turning into a black hole on offense.

Neither Novak or Douglass can make an open layup? What are you talking about?

I completely understand that Manny is our only player that can drive. That’s why it’s especially frustrating when he holds onto the ball in the final seconds and chucks a 35 footer, possibly in protest to not having the final play drawn up for him. I think I’ll trust the guy with 500 NCAA wins over the immature sophomore. Instead of being mad at Beilein you should probably be mad at Manny.

Why are you calling CJ Lee ‘my boy’? I clearly stated I want Kelvin to play, but he has to earn it by not having defensive lapses on every other possession. CJ doesn’t do that, therefore he plays. Did CJ have a good game? No. Neither did LLP or Manny or DeShawn. When your top three scorers shoot like ours did, you’re not going to win games.

Getting to the NIT was expected this year. We have far surpassed that. I don’t know what your reasoning is for crying about it. TA got won us the NIT in 2004. Afterwards he finished 9th, 6th, 7th in the B10 respectively, never making the tournament. His last season he started 4(!) seniors and couldn’t get it done. Beilein takes over with a terrible amount of talent, gets the team to finish strong and win 5 of their last 7 games. And now, with just a little more talent we’re on the verge of making the tournament. Regardless of where the season ends, it has been a successful year.

Ray McCallum and Cameron Ayers are 4* prospects ranked 55th and 56th by rivals (I didn’t say explictly a 5* player, I said 4/5* guys. Both of these guys fall into that category). Also Trey Zeigler is a 4* right around the 75 range.

How can you be anything but impressed that Beilein is able to pull in these guys when Michigan has done nothing in 10 years and has some of the worst facilities in the B10?!

You should probably take a step back and look at what this team is coming from.

]]> By: raiderfan http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/22/game-28-michigan-at-iowa-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-12007 raiderfan Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:57:17 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2119#comment-12007 So Tom, you honestly think we are better or without Manny. Do you realize that without him, Novak and Douglass would never score. Neither one came make an open layup. Neither one can create ashot on their own. They rely on penetration and kick out. Do you understand that Manny, with the exception of KG, is our only player with the ability to drive? And if winning the Not Invited Tournament is a sign of success, then Tommy Amaker is our best coach ever. Right? C J Lee is supposively out there for his defense right? Did you happen to see the Iowa game? I hate to say it but your boy kind of cost us the game. He couldn't stop Jake Kelly. Jake Kelly. Jake Kelly. I guess I didn't know Jake Kelly was an all-american. Lee brings us NO offense, actually one might call him a liability. So let me get this straight, we play him for his D, which he has none. I am not trying to say JB won't be great in the future, I am just saying he cost us a shot at the tourney this year. Just curious, who is the 5star JB is recruiting? It wouldn't matter anyway because there will be a walk-on who trys out and takes this make believe 5stars minutes anyway. So Tom, you honestly think we are better or without Manny. Do you realize that without him, Novak and Douglass would never score. Neither one came make an open layup. Neither one can create ashot on their own. They rely on penetration and kick out. Do you understand that Manny, with the exception of KG, is our only player with the ability to drive? And if winning the Not Invited Tournament is a sign of success, then Tommy Amaker is our best coach ever. Right? C J Lee is supposively out there for his defense right? Did you happen to see the Iowa game? I hate to say it but your boy kind of cost us the game. He couldn’t stop Jake Kelly. Jake Kelly. Jake Kelly. I guess I didn’t know Jake Kelly was an all-american. Lee brings us NO offense, actually one might call him a liability. So let me get this straight, we play him for his D, which he has none. I am not trying to say JB won’t be great in the future, I am just saying he cost us a shot at the tourney this year. Just curious, who is the 5star JB is recruiting? It wouldn’t matter anyway because there will be a walk-on who trys out and takes this make believe 5stars minutes anyway.

]]> By: Tom, Also http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/22/game-28-michigan-at-iowa-post-game/comment-page-2/#comment-12006 Tom, Also Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:02:44 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=2119#comment-12006 Again to the notion that Beilein can't recruit big. At WVU he had zero 4 star recruits. He already has one here in CA PG Darius Morris (not exactly a 6'4" white kid from the corn fields that sits at the 3-pt line and drains jumpers) and as has been mentioned several times, he has a great shot at some 4/5 star kids in the class of '10. Again to the notion that Beilein can’t recruit big. At WVU he had zero 4 star recruits. He already has one here in CA PG Darius Morris (not exactly a 6’4″ white kid from the corn fields that sits at the 3-pt line and drains jumpers) and as has been mentioned several times, he has a great shot at some 4/5 star kids in the class of ’10.

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