Comments on: Game 25: Michigan State at Michigan Post Game http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/11/game-25-michigan-state-at-michigan-post-game/ Michigan Basketball News, Recruiting, and Analysis Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Black Eyes | UM Hoops.com http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/11/game-25-michigan-state-at-michigan-post-game/comment-page-1/#comment-11235 Black Eyes | UM Hoops.com Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:33:46 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1920#comment-11235 [...] February 10th – Michigan State 54 – Michigan 42 (Recap) [...] [...] February 10th – Michigan State 54 – Michigan 42 (Recap) [...]

]]> By: ctspartan http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/11/game-25-michigan-state-at-michigan-post-game/comment-page-1/#comment-11234 ctspartan Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:44:30 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1920#comment-11234 Nice blog. Glad Trevor published the link. From a Spartan's perspective, I think we took this game much more seriously than previously. Sure, we lost the last couple years in Crisler, but the UM team this year is far better than past years and we had to lift our game to get the win. I like CJ Lee and Stu Douglass's game, and am puzzled at Lucas-Perry, because he looked really good in a couple games earlier in the year and brought some energy. Don't be so hard on Manny and the crew - I don't know that anyone in conference has played us tougher this year. When was the last time any Spartan could say that about UM hoops? And who other then Ty Lawson hasn't looked bad at the hands of Walton? Manny is still one of the top 3 guards in conference. Beilein is an excellent coach who's put you on the national map in terms of respect. This team is night and day from past years, and a big surprise to a lot of pre-season prognosticators, so you guys criticizing this team are starting to sound a bit like our own breed of Izzo-haters. I rooted for you guys against UConn, way to represent the conference. I still think it's possible for you to win 3 of the next 4, get to the second or third round of the tourney, and make the Dance. Good luck, hope you make it. Nice blog. Glad Trevor published the link.

From a Spartan’s perspective, I think we took this game much more seriously than previously. Sure, we lost the last couple years in Crisler, but the UM team this year is far better than past years and we had to lift our game to get the win. I like CJ Lee and Stu Douglass’s game, and am puzzled at Lucas-Perry, because he looked really good in a couple games earlier in the year and brought some energy.

Don’t be so hard on Manny and the crew – I don’t know that anyone in conference has played us tougher this year. When was the last time any Spartan could say that about UM hoops? And who other then Ty Lawson hasn’t looked bad at the hands of Walton? Manny is still one of the top 3 guards in conference. Beilein is an excellent coach who’s put you on the national map in terms of respect. This team is night and day from past years, and a big surprise to a lot of pre-season prognosticators, so you guys criticizing this team are starting to sound a bit like our own breed of Izzo-haters.

I rooted for you guys against UConn, way to represent the conference. I still think it’s possible for you to win 3 of the next 4, get to the second or third round of the tourney, and make the Dance. Good luck, hope you make it.

]]> By: Monstermash http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/11/game-25-michigan-state-at-michigan-post-game/comment-page-1/#comment-11233 Monstermash Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:52:25 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1920#comment-11233 I thought we played well considering our depleted lineup. We can get back on track at NW, and get minn, and purdue at home. I thought we played well considering our depleted lineup. We can get back on track at NW, and get minn, and purdue at home.

]]> By: Giddings http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/11/game-25-michigan-state-at-michigan-post-game/comment-page-1/#comment-11232 Giddings Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:16:38 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1920#comment-11232 What do you know, Singler lands an unintentional elbow on Hansbrough (it could be argued that this was more intentional than Manny's), the refs huddle up and give Singler a technical, which is perfectly reasonable. Based on "the rules" that Bilas loves writing about recently, this should have been a flagrant foul, but the refs recognized that ejecting Singler for this would take a lot of the wind out of this marquee matchup and would have made the refs too responsible for the outcome of a major nationally televised game. Jim Burr... What do you know, Singler lands an unintentional elbow on Hansbrough (it could be argued that this was more intentional than Manny’s), the refs huddle up and give Singler a technical, which is perfectly reasonable. Based on “the rules” that Bilas loves writing about recently, this should have been a flagrant foul, but the refs recognized that ejecting Singler for this would take a lot of the wind out of this marquee matchup and would have made the refs too responsible for the outcome of a major nationally televised game.

Jim Burr…

]]> By: Ken in Vegas http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/11/game-25-michigan-state-at-michigan-post-game/comment-page-1/#comment-11231 Ken in Vegas Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:36:58 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1920#comment-11231 I don't really understand Beilein's methodology when it comes to creating line-ups and substituting. It's never what I would expect considering recent developments and player performance. Stu started every non-conference game, but now that he's actually vastly improved, we give the job to an utterly worthless (for now) LLP. We give Ant and Shep good minutes against the best team in the country, (which seemed to keep us fresh and loose) but bolt them to their seats against Mich St. when we can't even score 15 points in a half. I'm not saying JB isn't doing the right things, I just can't seem to understand them. I don’t really understand Beilein’s methodology when it comes to creating line-ups and substituting. It’s never what I would expect considering recent developments and player performance. Stu started every non-conference game, but now that he’s actually vastly improved, we give the job to an utterly worthless (for now) LLP. We give Ant and Shep good minutes against the best team in the country, (which seemed to keep us fresh and loose) but bolt them to their seats against Mich St. when we can’t even score 15 points in a half. I’m not saying JB isn’t doing the right things, I just can’t seem to understand them.

]]> By: Giddings http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/11/game-25-michigan-state-at-michigan-post-game/comment-page-1/#comment-11230 Giddings Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:59:44 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1920#comment-11230 Here's what I can draw from Beilein's decision to go with a heavy dose of CJ in the past few games: 1) He wants to challenge Kelvin to improve his defense and play with more hustle and desire. 2) He has finally recognized (after watching our team lay bricks for the last month) that we cannot win games by simply outscoring teams (playing great offense and mediocre defense)... therefore he needed to focus on upgrading the defense rather than continuing to try and tinker with the offense. Here’s what I can draw from Beilein’s decision to go with a heavy dose of CJ in the past few games:

1) He wants to challenge Kelvin to improve his defense and play with more hustle and desire.
2) He has finally recognized (after watching our team lay bricks for the last month) that we cannot win games by simply outscoring teams (playing great offense and mediocre defense)… therefore he needed to focus on upgrading the defense rather than continuing to try and tinker with the offense.

]]> By: Take this data and call me on Monday | Spartans Weblog http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/11/game-25-michigan-state-at-michigan-post-game/comment-page-1/#comment-11229 Take this data and call me on Monday | Spartans Weblog Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:00:03 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1920#comment-11229 [...] Game 25: Michigan State at Michigan Post Game Dylan on last night’s game.  Points out that the series of fairly random events that ended the first half was a pretty big key to the MSU win. [...] [...] Game 25: Michigan State at Michigan Post Game Dylan on last night’s game.  Points out that the series of fairly random events that ended the first half was a pretty big key to the MSU win. [...]

]]> By: Avery Queen http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/11/game-25-michigan-state-at-michigan-post-game/comment-page-1/#comment-11228 Avery Queen Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:41:46 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1920#comment-11228 AG2: I hardly consider two road games and a home game vs. Minnesota a soft part of the schedule based on our road performances. And my point was that the loss was extremely disheartening (1) because it was our rivals and (2) because it was a self-declared must win game (i.e. "This is a must win" - Manny Harris). And it really was a must win in terms of confidence and record. So after that loss it can't be easy to get pumped to go on the road to play the not-so-great but dangerous Wildcats knowing that even if you win that one you still gotta win 3 more. Therefore, if Beilein can get the troops rallied for Sunday then he deserves praise. AG2:

I hardly consider two road games and a home game vs. Minnesota a soft part of the schedule based on our road performances.

And my point was that the loss was extremely disheartening (1) because it was our rivals and (2) because it was a self-declared must win game (i.e. “This is a must win” – Manny Harris). And it really was a must win in terms of confidence and record.

So after that loss it can’t be easy to get pumped to go on the road to play the not-so-great but dangerous Wildcats knowing that even if you win that one you still gotta win 3 more.

Therefore, if Beilein can get the troops rallied for Sunday then he deserves praise.

]]> By: michigan fan http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/11/game-25-michigan-state-at-michigan-post-game/comment-page-1/#comment-11227 michigan fan Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:20:51 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1920#comment-11227 The first half on offense we often just passed the ball around and around outside the 3 point line. State was all over our 3 point shooters. With a few seconds left we would shoot a poor percentage shot. We don't have much of an inside game. Either set screens on the outside to free up the shooters (which we didn't do the first half) or get another option(other than Manny) to dribble drive to the basket which is Grady. The first half on offense we often just passed the ball around and around outside the 3 point line. State was all over our 3 point shooters. With a few seconds left we would shoot a poor percentage shot. We don’t have much of an inside game. Either set screens on the outside to free up the shooters (which we didn’t do the first half) or get another option(other than Manny) to dribble drive to the basket which is Grady.

]]> By: Robert04 http://www.umhoops.com/2009/02/11/game-25-michigan-state-at-michigan-post-game/comment-page-1/#comment-11226 Robert04 Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:41:09 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1920#comment-11226 I agree. Yet another question for Dylan and company. I think Matt Vogrich could be a pretty good recruit and shooter to space the floor. Perhaps D-Mo can be a better shooting poor man's manny harris or at least a true big ten level point guard. My question is are Cronin, Morgan, and McLimans good enough to compete in the Big ten and over take Z. Gibson or at the other extreme allow him to start? I agree.
Yet another question for Dylan and company.
I think Matt Vogrich could be a pretty good recruit and shooter to space the floor. Perhaps D-Mo can be a better shooting poor man’s manny harris or at least a true big ten level point guard. My question is are Cronin, Morgan, and McLimans good enough to compete in the Big ten and over take Z. Gibson or at the other extreme allow him to start?

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