Comments on: Game 14: Illinois Plus/Minus http://www.umhoops.com/2009/01/05/game-14-illinois-plusminus/ An Unofficial University of Michigan Basketball Blog Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:58:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: High Five: Sloooow news day | The Sports Mitten http://www.umhoops.com/2009/01/05/game-14-illinois-plusminus/comment-page-1/#comment-18554 High Five: Sloooow news day | The Sports Mitten Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:33:52 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1067#comment-18554 [...] at U-M Hoops is experimenting with hockey-style plus-minus statistics in his evaluation of Michigan’s basketball [...] [...] at U-M Hoops is experimenting with hockey-style plus-minus statistics in his evaluation of Michigan’s basketball [...]

]]> By: James http://www.umhoops.com/2009/01/05/game-14-illinois-plusminus/comment-page-1/#comment-18543 James Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:14:06 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1067#comment-18543 My example's not very useful as html tags are stripped from comments, but I'm guessing you already knew what I was talking about. My example’s not very useful as html tags are stripped from comments, but I’m guessing you already knew what I was talking about.

]]> By: James http://www.umhoops.com/2009/01/05/game-14-illinois-plusminus/comment-page-1/#comment-18542 James Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:12:08 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1067#comment-18542 Dylan, Minor suggestion: please add descriptive popups to the header columns of your tables. Otherwise a lot (most?) of people will not understand what those stats are supposed to be about. The popups can be achieved simply by using the TITLE attribute of the TD tags used for the header. Example: Min Honestly, "Min" and "+/-" are the only columns that I understand what they're supposed to mean without looking at the post where you describe everything. Dylan,
Minor suggestion: please add descriptive popups to the header columns of your tables. Otherwise a lot (most?) of people will not understand what those stats are supposed to be about. The popups can be achieved simply by using the TITLE attribute of the TD tags used for the header. Example: Min

Honestly, “Min” and “+/-” are the only columns that I understand what they’re supposed to mean without looking at the post where you describe everything.

]]> By: Voice of Reason http://www.umhoops.com/2009/01/05/game-14-illinois-plusminus/comment-page-1/#comment-18540 Voice of Reason Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:04:46 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1067#comment-18540 Michigan not being in the top 25 may be the best thing for them at "this" time, because it allows them to play and get better without having that "target" on their backs because of their national ranking. They don't need more unecessary pressure, while they're getting their chemistry together. [Remember they've struggled against weak teams] Non ranked teams always get up for ranked teams. Let Michigan fly under the radar for a while, get better and then make a push for the big dance with a low ranking as we go through the second half of the B10 season. Michigan not being in the top 25 may be the best thing for them at “this” time, because it allows them to play and get better without having that “target” on their backs because of their national ranking. They don’t need more unecessary pressure, while they’re getting their chemistry together. [Remember they've struggled against weak teams]

Non ranked teams always get up for ranked teams. Let Michigan fly under the radar for a while, get better and then make a push for the big dance with a low ranking as we go through the second half of the B10 season.

]]> By: JimC http://www.umhoops.com/2009/01/05/game-14-illinois-plusminus/comment-page-1/#comment-18528 JimC Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:31:54 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1067#comment-18528 Looks like M is out of both polls this week. As are WI, IL, & OSU. (C'mon voters, the B10 is more of a BBall conf. now) Ah well, still early in the season. Looks like M is out of both polls this week. As are WI, IL, & OSU.
(C’mon voters, the B10 is more of a BBall conf. now)
Ah well, still early in the season.

]]> By: FL Wolve http://www.umhoops.com/2009/01/05/game-14-illinois-plusminus/comment-page-1/#comment-18485 FL Wolve Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:59:11 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1067#comment-18485 I love the +/- stats as well. That's unbelievable info for us stat junkies. I agree with Andy about Sims at the 4. I think JB should give that a whirl to see what it would look like. Sims has the athleticism to be disruptive down on the block. I love the +/- stats as well. That’s unbelievable info for us stat junkies.

I agree with Andy about Sims at the 4. I think JB should give that a whirl to see what it would look like. Sims has the athleticism to be disruptive down on the block.

]]> By: Andy http://www.umhoops.com/2009/01/05/game-14-illinois-plusminus/comment-page-1/#comment-18476 Andy Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:22:00 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1067#comment-18476 Just to put my vote in, I like the +/-. I'm a numbers and stats guy, so I definitely like it if it's not too much work. Am I missing something, or is the only discussion here on comments to articles? No running threads or anything that is just "forum?" Anyway, I'm surprised that Manny isn't seeing much 4 on defense. I know he is not a banger necessarily, but he's tall, can block shots and rebound and always seems to get good position. Just seems like that would solve some of our size issues when only one of the Sims / Gibson combo is in. I know this is a ridiculous comparison, but on my AA rec team, our two biggest guys play the 1 and 2 on offense and the 4 and 5 on defense and it works pretty well. Just to put my vote in, I like the +/-. I’m a numbers and stats guy, so I definitely like it if it’s not too much work.

Am I missing something, or is the only discussion here on comments to articles? No running threads or anything that is just “forum?”

Anyway, I’m surprised that Manny isn’t seeing much 4 on defense. I know he is not a banger necessarily, but he’s tall, can block shots and rebound and always seems to get good position. Just seems like that would solve some of our size issues when only one of the Sims / Gibson combo is in. I know this is a ridiculous comparison, but on my AA rec team, our two biggest guys play the 1 and 2 on offense and the 4 and 5 on defense and it works pretty well.

]]> By: AmherstAl http://www.umhoops.com/2009/01/05/game-14-illinois-plusminus/comment-page-1/#comment-18472 AmherstAl Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:40:49 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1067#comment-18472 Dylan, Sorry I don't understand what this all means. I think I just need a key (RBI = Runs Batted in). Or some explanation. Be great if you could. Love the site BTW. Dylan, Sorry I don’t understand what this all means. I think I just need a key (RBI = Runs Batted in). Or some explanation. Be great if you could. Love the site BTW.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.umhoops.com/2009/01/05/game-14-illinois-plusminus/comment-page-1/#comment-18458 Kevin Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:09:48 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1067#comment-18458 Interesting note about Gibson being able to run the floor with Grady at the point. LLP can get up the floor very well too which was key to our late run. I love the Plus/Minus addition. Great stuff. May I suggest a minimum cumulative minutes for a lineup to make the list. Mainly to "cleanup" the list a little. Keep up the good work! Interesting note about Gibson being able to run the floor with Grady at the point. LLP can get up the floor very well too which was key to our late run. I love the Plus/Minus addition. Great stuff. May I suggest a minimum cumulative minutes for a lineup to make the list. Mainly to “cleanup” the list a little. Keep up the good work!

]]> By: Giddings http://www.umhoops.com/2009/01/05/game-14-illinois-plusminus/comment-page-1/#comment-18454 Giddings Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:37:27 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=1067#comment-18454 I know we've all been waiting for that one game where both Stu and Zack are feeling it and stroking threes... well I went back and looked game-by-game at the # of threes made by each of them. Interestingly enough, a pattern is evident: - In the season opener, neither hit a three (amazingly) - In the next three games (which includes the games at MSG), Stu out-threed Zack 2-1, 2-0, and 1-0 - In the next game (Norfolk State), both played decently, hitting 2 threes each - In the next three games, Zack out-threed Stu 3-0, 3-1, and 4-0 - In the next three games, Stu out-threed Zack 1-0, 4-1, and 2-0 - In the next game (NC Central), both hit 1 three - In the next two games, Zack out-threed Stu 5-0 and 3-0 Maybe a bit confusing, but I guess what I'm saying is don't be surprised if Novak has another great game on Wednesday but then cools off for a few games as Stu heats up. I know we’ve all been waiting for that one game where both Stu and
Zack are feeling it and stroking threes… well I went back and looked game-by-game at the # of threes made by each of them.

Interestingly enough, a pattern is evident:
- In the season opener, neither hit a three (amazingly)
- In the next three games (which includes the games at MSG), Stu out-threed Zack 2-1, 2-0, and 1-0
- In the next game (Norfolk State), both played decently, hitting 2 threes each
- In the next three games, Zack out-threed Stu 3-0, 3-1, and 4-0
- In the next three games, Stu out-threed Zack 1-0, 4-1, and 2-0
- In the next game (NC Central), both hit 1 three
- In the next two games, Zack out-threed Stu 5-0 and 3-0

Maybe a bit confusing, but I guess what I’m saying is don’t be surprised if Novak has another great game on Wednesday but then cools off for a few games as Stu heats up.

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