Comments on: Wisconsin Plus/Minus

By: Dylan

Dylan — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:25:12 +0000

good call goblue. I’m on my phone but I’ll double check it later.

By: GoBlue

GoBlue — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:14:09 +0000

I love the charts that you have done. I think they really help you see an awful lot with a few numbers. I especially like the one which shows you the numbers by the lineups, since basketball is a team sport getting a feel how each of the lineups plays against the opponent is helpful.

There is one curious number in the Lineups chart that has me somewhat confused, on the D-LP-H-N-S (forth from the bottom) the Scr. for this lineup is -8 and the +/- was -5.

By: Ryan

Ryan — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:59:01 +0000

Tisdale and Davis will be a load. Both can knock down jumpers, especially Davis (made a ton versus Purdue) If there ever was a time for Gibson to play great D, it would be on Sunday.

By: Dylan

Dylan — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:53:07 +0000

This game is NOT in the student ticket package. Students can get in free with an M-Card but they would have to sneak into the Maize Rage.

By: ryan

ryan — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:47:35 +0000

Will most the students be back? I know they start class on Wednesday. The team feeds off there energy. I hope the maize rage is filled up.

By: fatbastard

fatbastard — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:00:28 +0000

TCKTS:

I have 2 Michigan v Illinois Tickets in blue for tomorrow. I cannot use the tickets. I can get them to will call, or arrange to meet before the game. Section 52, Row 19. Email if interested.

By: jmblue

jmblue — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:15:04 +0000

Wow, great stuff! I love the charts. It’ll be really interesting to follow these over the course of the season.

By: Giddings

Giddings — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:48:09 +0000

I was doing some more thinking about why Stu’s offensive +/- is so high (same for Novak) even when he himself is not scoring. I think this really supports the theory that many of us had even before the season that having legitimate 3-point threats (and DEEP 3-point threats) on the floor would open things up a little more for Manny to slash and Peedi to work the low post.

Imagine when we get Vogrich in there next year…

By: UMDC

UMDC — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:57:04 +0000

This is all really interesting stuff.

The thing that makes this data hard for me to evaluate (besides there being only one game’s worth of numbers) is that there isn’t any real sense of who these guys are playing against. I know it’s Wisconsin, but all Wisconsin players and line-ups are not the same (the same would go for any team we would play). I’m sure someone has already mentioned this, I haven’t looked back at the comments on earlier versions.

Are Lee and Gibson looking great in these numbers because they played really well (from watching the game in person I would say Lee did play really well, but I’m not so sure about Gibson), or are their numbers great because they happened to be on the court when Wisconsin was resting their best players? I’m just wondering if there would be any way to control for the quality of the Wisconsin team these players and lineups are facing.

It was easy to outscore and play defense against the Bulls in the 90s when Jordan and Pippen were on the bench.

By: MattNYC

MattNYC — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:12:36 +0000

I’m not a huge +/- fan, and I think it’s usefulness with just one game of data is about nill, that said, it can be useful for judging how well certain players play together and for judging “what you see” when you watch the game live or on tape.

That said, Simms was clearly a sieve on defense and the data backs that up. Having him in their with a “big body” like Gibson might help that problem, although Gibson is so soft and slow that I’m not sure how much of a presence on defense he can be, even at 6-11.

I echo the thoughts of most of you guys. Michigan played poorly, Wisky played well, not that much to take out of it other than gotta win the next one now.

Playing all those cupcakes in a row then the Big 11 schedules this game when the students are on break — not a great recipe for success.

Hopefully Beilein evens out the holiday schedule in the upcoming years so that they play at least one solid team in the weeks leading up to Big 11 play. Another top 50 team like Maryland at home would have been perfect, perhaps that can change into a home and home.