Comments on: Does Beilein Need Post Players? http://www.umhoops.com/2008/10/21/does-beilein-need-post-players/ Michigan Basketball News, Recruiting, and Analysis Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: BBall http://www.umhoops.com/2008/10/21/does-beilein-need-post-players/comment-page-1/#comment-7984 BBall Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:30:55 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=473#comment-7984 seriously? Did I say anything about defensive rebounding? obviously rebounding helps you win games. So does dribbling without traveling and passing well and playing good defense. "If you shoot well, rebounding becomes less important" Any stats on opponents shooting percentage? If they shoot poorly, whether that is because you are playing good defense or they just can't shoot, there are more defensive rebounds available. Not sure why you are so fired up about this. It has been widely publicized that Beilein has focused in the past on low turnovers and shooting a high percentage while employing a 1-3-1 zone on D. Tom Izzo he is not. Also - we're talking about the impact of a true center in Beilein's offensive and defensive philosophies. Any insight, or just angry about defensive rebounding? seriously? Did I say anything about defensive rebounding?
obviously rebounding helps you win games.
So does dribbling without traveling and passing well and playing good defense.
“If you shoot well, rebounding becomes less important”
Any stats on opponents shooting percentage? If they shoot poorly, whether that is because you are playing good defense or they just can’t shoot, there are more defensive rebounds available. Not sure why you are so fired up about this.

It has been widely publicized that Beilein has focused in the past on low turnovers and shooting a high percentage while employing a 1-3-1 zone on D.

Tom Izzo he is not.

Also – we’re talking about the impact of a true center in Beilein’s offensive and defensive philosophies. Any insight, or just angry about defensive rebounding?

]]> By: Wolverine http://www.umhoops.com/2008/10/21/does-beilein-need-post-players/comment-page-1/#comment-7983 Wolverine Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:08:00 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=473#comment-7983 *BBall* --- contrary to popular belief, Rebounding is important in Beilein's philosophy/philosophies (I WILL NOT SAY THE WORD "SYSTEM"!!!! -- FOR OBVIOUS AND NOT SO OBVIOUS REASONS!!!!). I have personally researched this going back to the 2002-03 season and as far as Defensive Rebounding is concerned IT ACTUALLY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT (HIS TEAMS HAVE A SICK WINNING PERCENTAGE WHEN THEY WIN THE DEFENSIVE REBOUNDING BATTLE AND AN ATROCIOUS WINNING PERCENTAGE WHEN THEY LOSE THE DEFENSIVE REBOUNDING BATTLE!!!!)!!!! Offensive Rebounding has been a mixed-bag as far as effect is concerned (least "important") and Overall Rebounding stat. is the second most important indicator/correlation/causation behind the Defensive Rebounding one (I have the numbers to prove it). It is true obviously the better you shoot (i.e. more shots you make) then not surprisingly the less frequent the Rebounding opportunities come. Peace. --WOLVERINE *BBall* —

contrary to popular belief, Rebounding is important in Beilein’s philosophy/philosophies (I WILL NOT SAY THE WORD “SYSTEM”!!!! — FOR OBVIOUS AND NOT SO OBVIOUS REASONS!!!!). I have personally researched this going back to the 2002-03 season and as far as Defensive Rebounding is concerned IT ACTUALLY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT (HIS TEAMS HAVE A SICK WINNING PERCENTAGE WHEN THEY WIN THE DEFENSIVE REBOUNDING BATTLE AND AN ATROCIOUS WINNING PERCENTAGE WHEN THEY LOSE THE DEFENSIVE REBOUNDING BATTLE!!!!)!!!! Offensive Rebounding has been a mixed-bag as far as effect is concerned (least “important”) and Overall Rebounding stat. is the second most important indicator/correlation/causation behind the Defensive Rebounding one (I have the numbers to prove it). It is true obviously the better you shoot (i.e. more shots you make) then not surprisingly the less frequent the Rebounding opportunities come. Peace.

–WOLVERINE

]]> By: Will Barrett to Princeton | UM Hoops.com http://www.umhoops.com/2008/10/21/does-beilein-need-post-players/comment-page-1/#comment-7982 Will Barrett to Princeton | UM Hoops.com Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:21:50 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=473#comment-7982 [...] though Beilein might not need a stable of post players it seems to be a safe bet that Michigan tries to take either Angus Brandt or Blake McLimans. [...] [...] though Beilein might not need a stable of post players it seems to be a safe bet that Michigan tries to take either Angus Brandt or Blake McLimans. [...]

]]> By: BBall http://www.umhoops.com/2008/10/21/does-beilein-need-post-players/comment-page-1/#comment-7981 BBall Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:11:24 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=473#comment-7981 Great breakdown! Thanks Dylan. Hadn't really thought about this team in those terms. 2 Cents: It sounds like part of Bielien's philosophy is if you shoot a great percentage, rebounding becomes less important. Also, if you can shoot well from the perimeter and make effective cuts, you can create space for 'smaller' more agile/athletic post players to operate effectively down there. Plus, long shots tend to have longer rebounds, making the 3 and 4 spots more important rebounders. All that said: Paging Angus Brandt! Please come to Michigan! OT: Speaking of the zone, how does the 1-3-1 work? i.e. who lines up where/what is the theory behind it? Great breakdown! Thanks Dylan. Hadn’t really thought about this team in those terms.

2 Cents: It sounds like part of Bielien’s philosophy is if you shoot a great percentage, rebounding becomes less important. Also, if you can shoot well from the perimeter and make effective cuts, you can create space for ‘smaller’ more agile/athletic post players to operate effectively down there. Plus, long shots tend to have longer rebounds, making the 3 and 4 spots more important rebounders.

All that said: Paging Angus Brandt! Please come to Michigan!

OT: Speaking of the zone, how does the 1-3-1 work? i.e. who lines up where/what is the theory behind it?

]]> By: Blazerine http://www.umhoops.com/2008/10/21/does-beilein-need-post-players/comment-page-1/#comment-7980 Blazerine Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:21:34 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=473#comment-7980 You make a great point cocerning the lack of bigs. I can't wait to see the team this year and witness the improvement. Losing Coleman...was probably addition by subtraction in the grand scheme of things. Manny, DeShawn, Kelvin, Anthony, Gibson, Merritt, Lee, all have a year in the system under the belt and you add in some guys who can shoot the ball (Douglass & Novak) and don't forget Laval at half-way and the conference isn't exactly loaded this year...I don't think 15-17 wins is out of the question. GO BLUE You make a great point cocerning the lack of bigs.
I can’t wait to see the team this year and witness the improvement. Losing Coleman…was probably addition by subtraction in the grand scheme of things. Manny, DeShawn, Kelvin, Anthony, Gibson, Merritt, Lee, all have a year in the system under the belt and you add in some guys who can shoot the ball (Douglass & Novak) and don’t forget Laval at half-way and the conference isn’t exactly loaded this year…I don’t think 15-17 wins is out of the question.

GO BLUE

]]> By: bill http://www.umhoops.com/2008/10/21/does-beilein-need-post-players/comment-page-1/#comment-7979 bill Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:57:13 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=473#comment-7979 College basketball is a guards game. If you play zone and your big guys draw charges you will do good against most teams. The real key for michigan is outside shooting. Last year especially late in the season teams knew they could collapse on Manny snd michigan would not score much. Hopefully the freshmen like Zack and Stu can hit when Manny and Grady drive and draw the defense. If this happens there should be fewer scoreless stretches which killed us last year. Having good bigs always helps but a great inside out offense wins games. Teams have to pick their poison. A good zone helps too. College basketball is a guards game. If you play zone and your big guys draw charges you will do good against most teams. The real key for michigan is outside shooting. Last year especially late in the season teams knew they could collapse on Manny snd michigan would not score much. Hopefully the freshmen like Zack and Stu can hit when Manny and Grady drive and draw the defense. If this happens there should be fewer scoreless stretches which killed us last year. Having good bigs always helps but a great inside out offense wins games. Teams have to pick their poison. A good zone helps too.

]]> By: Dylan http://www.umhoops.com/2008/10/21/does-beilein-need-post-players/comment-page-1/#comment-7978 Dylan Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:22:20 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=473#comment-7978 The problem has been talked about all summer. He's had hip issues, no one is sure if he's going to be cleared or not. Or whether he will red shirt or not. The problem has been talked about all summer. He’s had hip issues, no one is sure if he’s going to be cleared or not. Or whether he will red shirt or not.

]]> By: Brick http://www.umhoops.com/2008/10/21/does-beilein-need-post-players/comment-page-1/#comment-7977 Brick Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:20:51 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=473#comment-7977 Did something get announced regarding Cronin? Apparently he has some sort of hip injury but there is all sorts of internet chatter that he is redshirting. How you don't diagnose a problem until the day practice starts is beyond me. Did something get announced regarding Cronin? Apparently he has some sort of hip injury but there is all sorts of internet chatter that he is redshirting. How you don’t diagnose a problem until the day practice starts is beyond me.

]]> By: Jimmy http://www.umhoops.com/2008/10/21/does-beilein-need-post-players/comment-page-1/#comment-7976 Jimmy Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:34:01 +0000 http://www.umhoops.com/?p=473#comment-7976 Interesting point. Maybe the loss of Epke/recruitment of bigs is less of a priority after all. That said, I still would like to recruit some marquee post players...honestly, Lubick was my ideal post recruit. Big, and skilled in every aspect. Hopefully we'll get another like him someday. Interesting point. Maybe the loss of Epke/recruitment of bigs is less of a priority after all. That said, I still would like to recruit some marquee post players…honestly, Lubick was my ideal post recruit. Big, and skilled in every aspect. Hopefully we’ll get another like him someday.

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